Snowden files 'show massive UK spying op'

dowie said:
No you made an ambiguous comparison... I'm not even sure which you were comparing the aids or cancer to... you did however appear to put forward the idea that both were as unpalatable as each other. Perhaps explain your view if you feel I've misinterpreted it?
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Not sure what is so confusing for you, there was nothing ambiguous about it. I will not repeat what is already written in plain English.
 
Well you were previously trying to compare this with conspiracy theories... somehow in an attempt to belittle people who frequently call out conspiracy nonsense. In reality this isn't really comparable to the outlandish 'conspiracy theories' which get banded about on here rather its, at best, just an interesting insight/shedding some detail into something these agencies do - I think we're already aware that an agency set up to monitor communications would fulfill that task, though some details on how exactly they do that is interesting perhaps and that's about it.
 
I'm extremely concerned the Government feels it necessary to pry into all of its citizens private lives under the guise of keeping us safe.

I expect some active monitoring of those suspected if wrongdoing with the correct processes followed and warrants obtained to do so. I do not expect the Government to siphon off all of our personal information, emails, text messages and phone calls by default.

As a law abiding citizen, I choose what I want to make public, and I choose what I want to remain private. I shouldn't have the Government snooping around in it riding roughshod over my fundamental right to privacy because they've scared the public into believing some scary terrorists are out there coming to get them.
 
dpbadger said:
I would be worried if we weren't gathering this information.
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Why? What worries you so much you're willing to except blanket surveillance?

kibblerok said:
I'm extremely concerned the Government feels it necessary to pry into all of its citizens private lives under the guise of keeping us safe.

I shouldn't have the Government snooping around in it riding roughshod over my fundamental right to privacy because they've scared the public into believing some scary terrorists are out there coming to get them.
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Safety is the excuse they use. Control is the reason they want this data.

"Give me six lines written by the most honorable person alive, and I shall find enough in them to condemn them to the gallows." - Richelieu, Cardinal De
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LateX'Dog said:
I thought we were in a free country with free speech? And a shining beacon of democracy. :confused:
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No you didn't, you are a CT nutjob who occasionally posts articles from actual news sources, in no way did you think you were living in a free country with free speech.

What does democracy have to do with monitoring? The two are not mutually exclusive.
 
Zefan said:
I bloody hope this IS true. I'd be more shocked if they weren't doing this...
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Same.

Spy's are spying :eek: that must come as a real shock to some of you :eek:

Nowhere does it say that they are spying on normal people, the ability to do something does not constitute the act of doing something. God forbid we let that stop some good ole scaremongering.
 
  1. Anyone to whom this is a surprise is stupid. We all knew it happened already. That's why you use encryption for anything you care particularly about.
  2. Given that this happens, why does terrorism still happen? Are the Spy's not very good at their job?
  3. Why did the bloke sell the story to the Guardian in the first place. Does the USA not have newspapers?
 
No1newts said:
Spy's are spying :eek: that must come as a real shock to some of you :eek:
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Against those suspected of wrongdoing with a warrant for that specific purpose? Yes. Against everyone by default? No!

Nowhere does it say that they are spying on normal people, the ability to do something does not constitute the act of doing something. God forbid we let that stop some good ole scaremongering.
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They are going to the extraordinary effort and expense of collecting that data, all data, of everything you send and receive - of course they are using it.

The only ones scaremongering are the government, telling you that you should be scared of the "bogeyman" thats out there somewhere that allows them to get away with this. If you think any of this is being done for your benefit or safety, you are very much mistaken.

One key innovation has been GCHQ's ability to tap into and store huge volumes of data drawn from fibre-optic cables for up to 30 days so that it can be sifted and analysed. That operation, codenamed Tempora, has been running for some 18 months.

GCHQ and the NSA are consequently able to access and process vast quantities of communications between entirely innocent people, as well as targeted suspects.

This includes recordings of phone calls, the content of email messages, entries on Facebook and the history of any internet user's access to websites – all of which is deemed legal, even though the warrant system was supposed to limit interception to a specified range of targets.
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By May last year 300 analysts from GCHQ, and 250 from the NSA, had been assigned to sift through the flood of data.

The Americans were given guidelines for its use, but were told in legal briefings by GCHQ lawyers: "We have a light oversight regime compared with the US".

When it came to judging the necessity and proportionality of what they were allowed to look for, would-be American users were told it was "your call".
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jun/21/gchq-cables-secret-world-communications-nsa
 
kibblerok said:
Against those suspected of wrongdoing with a warrant for that specific purpose? Yes. Against everyone by default? No!



They are going to the extraordinary effort and expense of collecting that data, all data, of everything you send and receive - of course they are using it.

The only ones scaremongering are the government, telling you that you should be scared of the "bogeyman" thats out there somewhere that allows them to get away with this. If you think any of this is being done for your benefit or safety, you are very much mistaken.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jun/21/gchq-cables-secret-world-communications-nsa
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Read your own scaremongering article. It says "the ability to" do something. Once again I'll repeat myself, the ability to do something does not constitute the act of doing.

Nations, individuals and business all have the ability to do any number of things to impinge on another's privacy but just because they CAN doesn't mean they are.

The great failure of that article and amongst most on here is they are seeing one thing and inferring another outcome that suits their own angle.
 
No1newts said:
Read your own scaremongering article. It says "the ability to" do something. Once again I'll repeat myself, the ability to do something does not constitute the act of doing.

Nations, individuals and business all have the ability to do any number of things to impinge on another's privacy but just because they CAN doesn't mean they are.

The great failure of that article and amongst most on here is they are seeing one thing and inferring another outcome that suits their own angle.
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Fine, who is providing the oversight of their abilities?

Nate
 
I have always had a thought that our Intelligence agency was like its own export.

I wonder how much money we make with selling information?
 
I am shocked that people are surprised.

And pleased that my government is doing this.

Most email is encrypted as is most other forms of communications, they will simply be logging point A and point B and at what time.
 
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