Snowden files 'show massive UK spying op'

LateX'Dog said:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jun/21/gchq-cables-secret-world-communications-nsa?CMP=twt_gu

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-new...ive-uk-spying-op/story-e6frfkui-1226667923388

When did this become common practice in the UK that all of its citizens are suspects in need of surveillance?

I thought we were in a free country with free speech? And a shining beacon of democracy. :confused::rolleyes:
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You know that's why Microsoft don't allow the Kinect to be unplugged from the Xbox One :)
 
Oh and ive actually been to Hong Kong and Beijing, and it is nothing like China!! I doubt much has changed since we gave it back to the chinese its the still a beacon of consumerism
 
Pretty sure they still need court granted access to actually view the files. Everyone I've spoke to that works in and around GCHQ takes it extremely seriously. All the article says is that we in the UK have one of the best systems of accessing data should it be required. Great! Thats probably part of the reason why we haven't had any 7/11 style bombings recently.

The people you are accusing of spying are exactly the same sort of people that would post on a computer forum such as this in favour of privacy laws.



As to the whole "What happened to our freedoms?" thing, do you really think that a national newspaper would be able to publish this story in a non-free society such as Russia or China?
 
Judgeneo said:
Pretty sure they still need court granted access to actually view the files. Everyone I've spoke to that works in and around GCHQ takes it extremely seriously. All the article says is that we in the UK have one of the best systems of accessing data should it be required. Great! Thats probably part of the reason why we haven't had any 7/11 style bombings recently.
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Assumption

The people you are accusing of spying are exactly the same sort of people that would post on a computer forum such as this in favour of privacy laws.
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Assumption



As to the whole "What happened to our freedoms?" thing, do you really think that a national newspaper would be able to publish this story in a non-free society such as Russia or China?
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That is valid.
 
Edward Snowden leaves Hong Kong for Moscow
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HK play administrative hardball

"The US government earlier on made a request to the HKSAR [Hong Kong special administrative region] government for the issue of a provisional warrant of arrest against Mr Snowden. Since the documents provided by the US government did not fully comply with the legal requirements under Hong Kong law, the HKSAR government has requested the US government to provide additional information so that the Department of Justice could consider whether the US government's request can meet the relevant legal conditions.
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Craterloads said:
It's funny the same people who would play the "conspiracy nut" card to such information a few months ago are the same people who play the "shocker spy agencie spies on people" card now.....
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Perhaps it's because they just don't care? Chances are 99% of us will live our 80 years of life, 45 of them working and saving a pension and nothing our security services do will ever affect us except maybe protect us from getting suicide bombed. Yes the 1% that get molested by false information, such as that Mendez chap, is not that good but I'm willing to sacrifice a few people for the greater good and I think it's naive to think there is a better way of doing it.
 
desires said:
Perhaps it's because they just don't care? Chances are 99% of us will live our 80 years of life, 45 of them working and saving a pension and nothing our security services do will ever affect us except maybe protect us from getting suicide bombed. Yes the 1% that get molested by false information, such as that Mendez chap, is not that good but I'm willing to sacrifice a few people for the greater good and I think it's naive to think there is a better way of doing it.
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What a pointless life.
 
Judgeneo said:
Great! Thats probably part of the reason why we haven't had any 7/11 style bombings recently.
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desires said:
except maybe protect us from getting suicide bombed.
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Good god it is actually scary how some people think.

People are actually believing 7/11 style bombings were a regular occurrence before all this NSA and GCHQ crap :eek:

Oh how the government have you all on an epic leash. :D


MrMoonX said:
what greater good :rolleyes: I presume you mean protection from these nasty terrorists, well news for you, you're more likely to die in a plane crash than a terrorist attack, but I see years of government propaganda about terrorists has worked a treat on your narrow mind
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Exactly.
 
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StriderX said:
Assumption


Assumption
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With no access to statistics or other sources for obvious reasons, assumptions are pretty much all we can do. Mine are based on my meetings with people who have worked/working for GCHQ.




Asim, I don't think they were or are likely to be a 'regular occurrence', but I don't subscribe to the view that such acts of terrorism are impossibly unlikely either.
 
asim18 said:
Good god it is actually scary how some people think.

People are actually believing 7/11 style bombings were a regular occurrence before all this NSA and GCHQ crap :eek:

Oh how the government have you all on an epic leash. :D



Exactly.
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So how do you lead your life differently with your off-lead knowledge?

It's quite funny how your sort that believe the government is on some sort of vendetta against its people also believe they are superior to that masses, and yet live in the same places, use the same services, and live under the same law.
 
desires said:
So how do you lead your life differently with your off-lead knowledge?

It's quite funny how your sort that believe the government is on some sort of vendetta against its people also believe they are superior to that masses, and yet live in the same places, use the same services, and live under the same law.
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Eh? What's that supposed to mean? You want people to act and go blow up the government just because they're aware of sinister government procedures?

Being aware of something doesn't mean you're obliged to go on a rampage against the government.

Also, if you could disclose this place you described with separate laws and services it would be pretty cool to check it out, thanks. :)
 
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Judgeneo said:
Pretty sure they still need court granted access to actually view the files. Everyone I've spoke to that works in and around GCHQ takes it extremely seriously. All the article says is that we in the UK have one of the best systems of accessing data should it be required. Great! Thats probably part of the reason why we haven't had any 7/11 style bombings recently.

The people you are accusing of spying are exactly the same sort of people that would post on a computer forum such as this in favour of privacy laws.



As to the whole "What happened to our freedoms?" thing, do you really think that a national newspaper would be able to publish this story in a non-free society such as Russia or China?
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Actually... MI5 apparently had their misgivings avobout the legality of what GCHQ were doing and a special panel is likely to be det up to look through and see if GCHQ have broken any laws, if they haven't it is quite possible new legislation will be brought in or current legislation modified to make what they have been doing illegal so I woukdnt be so certain what they are doing is legal...

What they have basically been doing is the spying equivalent of Google's tax regime. It's probably avoidance but it may very well step into tax evasion.... Either way the loopholes may be removed...

Aside from all that it looks like it'd going to hurt the UK politically, Germany has already demanded answers as to how overreaching GCHQ have been, probably followed by other countries shortly. Whether that is just posturing or serious we shall have to wait and see.
 
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asim18 said:
Good god it is actually scary how some people think.

People are actually believing 7/11 style bombings were a regular occurrence before all this NSA and GCHQ crap :eek:

Oh how the government have you all on an epic leash. :D
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Out of interest, approximately how many terrorism related deaths would you tolerate before thinking it's time for the government to do something? Giving in and doing what the terrorists want doesn't count as "something" in this case.
 
scorza said:
Out of interest, approximately how many terrorism related deaths would you tolerate before thinking it's time for the government to do something? Giving in and doing what the terrorists want doesn't count as "something" in this case.
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Do something?

As in what the terrorists want them to do...IE Win.

Hmm.
 
scorza said:
Out of interest, approximately how many terrorism related deaths would you tolerate before thinking it's time for the government to do something? Giving in and doing what the terrorists want doesn't count as "something" in this case.
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:confused:

Do you realise that "terrorism" still has exactly the same potential to occur even if every single bit of electronic communication in the whole world is intercepted?

Just backs up what I said.

Government: "Let us spy on everyone and in exchange we will protect you from phantom terrorist attacks". :D

Brilliant.
 
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