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Perfect_Chaos · 2 Jun 2018 at 16:37

Gregster said:
PC gaming is dying? Nonsense!
https://www.pcgamesn.com/pc-game-sales-numbers-market-share-2017

I always have to laugh, or just sigh when somebody says that, PC gaming is pretty healthy. It just might seem a little dull at the moment because of little innovation. I imagine that's partly the reason why there's been no HL3 (as an example) yet, HL2 made big steps with the Havok physics and world interactivity. For HL3 they would need something much more impressive.

Borsch · 2 Jun 2018 at 16:48

VR is the most incredible thing that has happened in PC gaming since DOOM. I am still occasionally taken aback by the overall experience after having had my Oculus for a year. And this revolution needs more GPU juice - much much more. Almost insatiably moar

Klo · 2 Jun 2018 at 16:51

Borsch said:
VR is the most incredible thing that has happened in PC gaming since DOOM. I am still occasionally taken aback by the overall experience after having had my Oculus for a year. And this revolution needs more GPU juice - much much more. Almost insatiably moar

Everything needs to get better in VR for it to properly take off. Many people seem to play with it a bit at first, but then stop after a few months.

Dirk Diggler · 2 Jun 2018 at 16:58

I enjoyed VR but the resolution was the main bug bear for me.

Borsch · 2 Jun 2018 at 17:01

DOOM took a while to evolve into Half-Life/Counter Strike too

My point is PC gaming is no longer stagnant, massive things are happening already.

aowc02 · 2 Jun 2018 at 17:09

PC gaming has never been better imo - especially as ESports starting to gain some recognition and traction. next few years gonna be interesting from a gpu / hardware standpoint

TNA · 2 Jun 2018 at 17:15

Perfect_Chaos said:
I always have to laugh, or just sigh when somebody says that, PC gaming is pretty healthy. It just might seem a little dull at the moment because of little innovation. I imagine that's partly the reason why there's been no HL3 (as an example) yet, HL2 made big steps with the Havok physics and world interactivity. For HL3 they would need something much more impressive.

PC Gaming in my opinion is in excellent shape. It is my primary platform and probably will always be. 2018 is just a bit of a dry year, for me anyway, but I think 2019/20 will be much better.

The main thing I want to see is more PC exclusives that make proper make full use of the hardware. Would like more games to be designed primary for PC then port it to consoles after if possible rather than the other way around.

Klo said:
Everything needs to get better in VR for it to properly take off. Many people seem to play with it a bit at first, but then stop after a few months.

String said:
I enjoyed VR but the resolution was the main bug bear for me.

Yeah, I have had the opportunity to pick up the Oculus Rift CV1 for around £250 on many occasions now, but have not been able to bring myself to do it because of this.

Going to try and wait until a proper 4K one comes out.

Bluntwrapped · 4 Jun 2018 at 13:34

Dave2150 said:
It would be more exciting if Nintendo switched to AMD for the Switch, to complete AMD's monopoly on gaming consoles.

It's worth remembering that the vast majority of gamers use AMD hardware these days, since consoles are far more popular than PC gaming (which is dying) and AMD powers the most important consoles, the PS4 and Xbox

Nintendo jumping to Nvidia was the smartest move they've made in 10 years.

Microsoft and Sony will be looking to Nvidia for the next generation consoles. It would be silly of them not to.

As much as support AMD, Nvidia hold the key to the future of gaming. Not just PC but console too.

TNA · 4 Jun 2018 at 13:40

Bluntwrapped said:
Nintendo jumping to Nvidia was the smartest move they've made in 10 years.

Microsoft and Sony will be looking to Nvidia for the next generation consoles. It would be silly of them not to.

As much as support AMD, Nvidia hold the key to the future of gaming. Not just PC but console too.

I am not sure to be honest. It made perfect sense for Nintendo as AMD did not even have anything to offer anyway, as Nintendo needed something that was low power. Nvidia already had such thing built.

But many companies have had bad experience dealing with Nvidia, together with the fact Nvidia would not be happy to take as small margins as AMD will likely mean the next gen consoles sticking with what works. They have probably been working with AMD with something like Navi which is meant to have many smaller gpu's working together using infinity fabric which will make things cheaper and more efficient anyway.

Great thing for people is, going forward backward compatibility should be easy

jigger · 4 Jun 2018 at 13:44

Bluntwrapped said:
Nintendo jumping to Nvidia was the smartest move they've made in 10 years.

Microsoft and Sony will be looking to Nvidia for the next generation consoles. It would be silly of them not to.

As much as support AMD, Nvidia hold the key to the future of gaming. Not just PC but console too.

Not sure. Nvidia don't have a CPU so any deal with Nvidia will need Intels or AMD involvement both of which offer CPU, GPU and APU's. I can't see Nintendo sticking with Nvidia long term never mind Sony or MS.

The switch is a crap and expensive tablet. It's not a console.

Dirk Diggler · 4 Jun 2018 at 14:01

Dave2150 said:
since consoles are far more popular than PC gaming (which is dying)

PC gaming is dying? What do you base that on?

Genuine question by the way, not intended as a challenge but as a request for more info.

melmac · 4 Jun 2018 at 14:49

String said:
PC gaming is dying? What do you base that on?

Genuine question by the way, not intended as a challenge but as a request for more info.

For some people not been able to buy 1080Ti performance for under £300 = PC Gaming dying.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 4 Jun 2018 at 15:05

Bluntwrapped said:
Nintendo jumping to Nvidia was the smartest move they've made in 10 years.

Microsoft and Sony will be looking to Nvidia for the next generation consoles. It would be silly of them not to.

As much as support AMD, Nvidia hold the key to the future of gaming. Not just PC but console too.

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...h-amd-ryzen-and-ps5-is-the-most-likely-target

Sony is working with AMD's Ryzen CPU tech - and PS5 is the most likely target
PlayStation programmer improving Ryzen support on a key developer tool.

Kaapstad · 4 Jun 2018 at 15:39

Dave2150 said:
It would be more exciting if Nintendo switched to AMD for the Switch, to complete AMD's monopoly on gaming consoles.

It's worth remembering that the vast majority of gamers use AMD hardware these days, since consoles are far more popular than PC gaming (which is dying) and AMD powers the most important consoles, the PS4 and Xbox

PC gaming is definitely not dying so a quick google search tells me. Both console and PC gaming are growing at the same rate, console market share is a couple of % more than the PC but that is all the consoles combined.

The best bit about a PC is it will still be here when even the next gen of consoles are long gone.

If someone bought a 2600k in Jan 2011 and still had the PC they could do something crazy like put a Titan V in it and watch it totally blitz the next gen of consoles at 2160p. I am only mentioning this to highlight the strength of the PC, upgradability.

bru · 4 Jun 2018 at 16:24

As for PC gaming dying.

NVidia Q1 2019

Gaming

Gaming revenue grew 68 percent from a year earlier to $1.72 billion.

Announced NVIDIA RTX™, a groundbreaking computer graphics technology that produces movie-quality images in real time.

AMD Q1 2018

Quarterly Financial Segment Summary • Computing and Graphics segment revenue was $1.12 billion, up 95 percent year-over-year and 23 percent quarter-over-quarter, primarily driven by strong sales of Radeon and Ryzen products. • Client processor average selling price (ASP) increased year-over-year and quarter-over-quarter due to a greater percentage of revenue from our Ryzen products. • GPU ASP increased year-over-year and quarter-over-quarter driven by a greater percentage of revenue from our new Radeon products. • Operating income was $138 million, compared to an operating loss of $21 million a year ago and operating income of $33 million in the prior quarter. Operating income improvement was driven by higher revenue.

Ok so AMD had Ryzen which of course can be used for other things than gaming, but NVidia Don't and that 1.72 Billion is just their gaming side of things.

Zeed · 4 Jun 2018 at 18:25

TNA said:
PC Gaming in my opinion is in excellent shape. It is my primary platform and probably will always be. 2018 is just a bit of a dry year, for me anyway, but I think 2019/20 will be much better.

The main thing I want to see is more PC exclusives that make proper make full use of the hardware. Would like more games to be designed primary for PC then port it to consoles after if possible rather than the other way around.

Yeah, I have had the opportunity to pick up the Oculus Rift CV1 for around £250 on many occasions now, but have not been able to bring myself to do it because of this.

Going to try and wait until a proper 4K one comes out.

2021 is date this will happen lmore or less good luck with over 2 eyars wait while i play with my rift

Zeed · 4 Jun 2018 at 18:28

Pc gaming is Totally on way out INIT

jigger · 4 Jun 2018 at 21:48

Kaapstad said:
PC gaming is definitely not dying so a quick google search tells me. Both console and PC gaming are growing at the same rate, console market share is a couple of % more than the PC but that is all the consoles combined.

The best bit about a PC is it will still be here when even the next gen of consoles are long gone.

If someone bought a 2600k in Jan 2011 and still had the PC they could do something crazy like put a Titan V in it and watch it totally blitz the next gen of consoles at 2160p. I am only mentioning this to highlight the strength of the PC, upgradability.

Not with the current and increasing price gulf and fact consoles are using PC hardware.

jigger · 4 Jun 2018 at 21:49

bru said:
Ok so AMD had Ryzen which of course can be used for other things than gaming, but NVidia Don't and that 1.72 Billion is just their gaming side of things.

Mostly down to mining forcing up prices not gaming.

Relentless81 · 5 Jun 2018 at 08:00

Most of the PC gaming hardware sales increase is due to mining not gaming

I'm not saying PC gaming is dying but I wouldn't say its not on the decline, its too expensive for most people the majority of PC gamers play esport titles on low spec PCs. A lot of PC gamer enthusiasts have jumped shipped to consoles