Soccer sickies

[Haggisman]

On the one hand that's commendable.

On the other hand, the people at the top often have far less scruples. Avoiding tax using off-shore accounts, clever accounting, share options, etc. Things that plain aren't available to the little guy. Having everything written off as a tax-deductable expense, including their 2nd home, luxury car and holidays. Donating to the Tory party to get some nice government contract or support for a favourable bill or two.

So I hold both views at the same time. One that it's good to be honest. Two that being honest is mostly for the plebs, and is mostly only valued by the plebs*. The CEOs and their ilk are only as honest as they are forced to be.

(*Of course the CEOs want their workers to be honest, they just don't necessarily hold themselves t to those same standards )

It's obvious from your posting history you have a whole field of potatoes on your shoulder against "the man", but perhaps it's worth considering that not every company is like that, and there are plenty of CEOs and directors with morals who actually look after their employees. You never know, perhaps seeing that not everyone is a total *** might make you slightly less bitter

I cannot imagine caring that other people are pulling a sick day at work when they're not sick, unless it's your company they work for or you have to cover their sickness then why would you give a ****.

Other than the fact your second reason ("you have to cover their sickness") is almost always the case, there's also the fact that if enough people take the pee, then any more generous sickness policies which might be in place will be stopped, and everyone will end up on SSP (which sucks when you're actually sick!)

 

[MikeTheNative]

While not official policy, my company used to pay the odd few sick days. That was until we had one guy who took the **** and was off every Friday with a new illness each week. Not long after him leaving they made sure to tighten up on it.

 

[bignev72]

I've not taken any time off sick in years. I enjoy my work.

I don't enjoy my work but I haven't had a sick day in years either. I can't pretend to be ill, I would feel too guilty about it.

 

[FoxEye]

It's obvious from your posting history you have a whole field of potatoes on your shoulder against "the man", but perhaps it's worth considering that not every company is like that, and there are plenty of CEOs and directors with morals who actually look after their employees. You never know, perhaps seeing that not everyone is a total *** might make you slightly less bitter

It's true plenty of the time. Not just CEOs but the self-employed. Lots of people feel entitled not to pay tax. Lots of people feel entitled to make their luxury personal purchases "business expenses". It's rife.

But ultimately people here would rather moan about the unemployed, "benefit scroungers", etc. Whilst aspiring to be the tax-dodging, corrupt elites.

I'm sorry but anybody who has been alive more than 5 minutes knows there's one rule for us, one rule for them. You'd have to be wilfully blind not to accept it.

 

[Haggisman]

Lots of people feel entitled not to pay tax. Lots of people feel entitled to make their luxury personal purchases "business expenses". It's rife.

Lots of people != everyone. Claiming otherwise is every bit as "blind" as those you are disparaging

 

[adam cool dude]

Going back to some football tournament between 1996 and 2000 (I can't remember which one it was), at the time, I was working at the head office of Britvic in Chelmsford and some England matches were scheduled during working hours. We set up the big meeting room with a screen and anyone who wanted to watch the match was encouraged to go there to do so.

We used to do that too. We would even plan around it. People would book in and would go off unpaid to watch the game in the canteen. As planning already had an idea of who wouldn't be available lines were planned to shut down during this time. These days the staff are just not thought of at all and they wonder why they are struggling to recruit 500+ vacancies across the country.

At my current place if I took my 13 weeks full pay and holiday I would only work 3 months of the year. I know many who do this but I just worry about myself.

 

[Roar87]

It's true plenty of the time. Not just CEOs but the self-employed. Lots of people feel entitled not to pay tax. Lots of people feel entitled to make their luxury personal purchases "business expenses". It's rife.

But ultimately people here would rather moan about the unemployed, "benefit scroungers", etc. Whilst aspiring to be the tax-dodging, corrupt elites.

I'm sorry but anybody who has been alive more than 5 minutes knows there's one rule for us, one rule for them. You'd have to be wilfully blind not to accept it.

Can you please cite a post where you've seen that?

 

[arknor]

Can you please cite a post where you've seen that?

probably the old forum back when OCUK was seen as a place to share racist views and pretend you were a gangster.

 

[Deleted User 298457]

It's true plenty of the time. Not just CEOs but the self-employed. Lots of people feel entitled not to pay tax. Lots of people feel entitled to make their luxury personal purchases "business expenses". It's rife.

But ultimately people here would rather moan about the unemployed, "benefit scroungers", etc. Whilst aspiring to be the tax-dodging, corrupt elites.

I'm sorry but anybody who has been alive more than 5 minutes knows there's one rule for us, one rule for them. You'd have to be wilfully blind not to accept it.

Can you please cite a post where you've seen that?

I'll go, I'll go!!!

I would say anger than resentment, which is targeted solely at the government and not any recipients.

I dont blame someone for taking free money. I was also furloughed myself.

My solution in the future is to set up my own business, then avoid and evade tax. Then i will not care what the government does.

 

[Roar87]

platinum87 said: ↑
I would say anger than resentment, which is targeted solely at the government and not any recipients.

I dont blame someone for taking free money. I was also furloughed myself.

My solution in the future is to set up my own business, then avoid and evade tax. Then i will not care what the government does.

I'll go, I'll go!!!

Do you believe you've just quoted a post where someone has had a go at the unemployed? They literally say "I don't blame someone taking free money. I was also furloughed myself".

 

[Deleted User 298457]

Do you believe you've just quoted a post where someone has had a go at the unemployed? They literally say "I don't blame someone taking free money. I was also furloughed myself".

Ah I didn't see you hadn't bolded the rest of sentence in my sheer excitement to post. I thought you were talking about this comment:

Whilst aspiring to be the tax-dodging, corrupt elites.

 

[Roar87]

No one has blamed the unemployed for anything in about 10 years, blaming "benefits scroungers" is a meme at this point

 

[soundb0y]

I've been kind enough to give myself Wednesday and Thursday off this week. Mate offered me a spare ticket and I couldn't turn it down!

 

[potatolord]

Take a sickie, why not?
...
You don't get medals from your employer or thought of any better, especially the larger companies, so why not, you only live once.

Also if you don't like your job/boss etc then go for it.

A man I worked with boasted he had never taken any sick days in X years. Then he had a serious smash on his motorbike.

He got less management sympathy than the "usual skivers", which was a real eye-opener for him. They badgered him to come back before he felt ready, and he thought that was rather unfair.

On the other hand, one civil servant mate talks about his "sick allowance" and makes sure he takes it every year.

 

[1664kronenbourg]

I bet, IF England lose tomorrow night, there'll be people ringing in sick with depression.

 

[Bassmansam]

I bet, IF England lose tomorrow night, there'll be people ringing in sick with depression.

So many people seem to tie part/a lot of their wellbeing to football, something you cannot control. Truely bizarre..

 

[deuse]

Soccer

I know!
Bloody yanks are everywhere

 

[FoxEye]

Can you please cite a post where you've seen that?

You're not serious are you?

Whilst I'm not about to give myself a headache by using the forum search, there's posts here just about every week about people not wanting to work because they get more on benefits than if they got a job.

As well as *lots* of condemnation of British workers as "lazy, entitled, thinking hard work is beneath them".

I don't think this is in any way controversial, I mean you don't have to have been a member here for long to see such posts.

 

[Resident]

This!

I've worked in both private sector and public sector.

In private sector, sick pay is normally either half pay or statutory only. End result is that most people were only off a few days per year on average. Anything longer meant that they were having an operation or had a serious injury.

In public sector, sick pay is full pay anywhere between 1 and 6 months per year depending on how many years service you've had. We've seen patterns of sickie Fridays, sickie paydays and people playing the stress card. They go off for 6 months then they suddenly come back only because they've out-stayed their 6 months full pay. It's bleedingly obvious!

As for football, that would be the equivalent to me as clubbing. So if I knew I was going to have a heavy night out, I would book the day before or after off. People pulling football sickies would be too obvious imo.

SiL is a nurse and one of the 'management consultants' that worked for the trust managed to work just 6/7 weeks in 3 YEARS only getting the boot.
She also says that a lot of the staff take the preverbial with sickness, calling in sick then spending the week abroad etc.

 

[ttaskmaster]

I bet, IF England lose tomorrow night, there'll be people ringing in sick with depression.

They should be pretty used to it by now... Thirty years of hurt, and all that.
Football may well be coming home, but Jesus will have come and gone long beforehand though!

As well as *lots* of condemnation of British workers as "lazy, entitled, thinking hard work is beneath them".

...giving rise to all these foreigners coming here and taking the jobs that British workers don't want to do anyway, right? That's the full version of the argument, innit?