Solar panels and battery - any real world reccomendations?

Weirdly my battery dropped to 1% so had to charge from the grid. Something must have caused it to discharge beyond the 4% minimum charge value.

Mine do this, but I think they are actually partially heated when its cold.
I noticed on one of the spec sheets it mentioned heating.
I assume the heating is indirect as its just cycling the energy in there around but the by product is of course heat (and a lower charge)

When my batteries were majorly not playing ball in the really cold spell I noticed the temp would keep going up, then drift down, then go up again.
Assuming this was part of the defence mechanism to avoid getting too cold.

Mine are now partially insulated with some funky insulation Wickes had. (Combo of polystyrene and graphite)
I manged to get a little more sorted earlier today. So they are almost insulated from the outside, but with an air gap underneath, and their backs to my house, so brick temp.
Wont keep the cold fully out but equally its also to partially keep the sun energy out so I need some ventilation.

Most of the cost isn't really in panels either, it's in install time, wiring in the inverters etc. It could if you're lucky get a bit cheaper, but I wouldn't expect sweeping cost reductions to be passed along.

Agree, unless you talking hundreds of panels I suspect the impact will be barely noticeable.
I suspect most installs of panels and batteries the panels are 15-20% or so of the total cost. If just solar then probably 30-40% or so is likely panel cost.
 
Most of the cost isn't really in panels either, it's in install time, wiring in the inverters etc. It could if you're lucky get a bit cheaper, but I wouldn't expect sweeping cost reductions to be passed along.

What makes me laugh is it is a few blokes who get the job done in a day or less. I am sure once demand stabilises prices will come down.

If not I will keep waiting. As at current prices it just does not add up.
 
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What makes me laugh is it is a few blokes who get the job done in a day or less. I am sure once demand stabilises prices will come down.

If not I will keep waiting. As at current prices it just does not add up.

I would be very wary of a few blokes getting the job done in a day personally.
Unless its a very basic and simple install.
 
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Weirdly my battery dropped to 1% so had to charge from the grid. Something must have caused it to discharge beyond the 4% minimum charge value.

There is a known issue with SOC on these batteries that some people are experiencing a lot of issues with, I am weirdly not, but I wonder if it's because my battery is inside and I cycle it almost constantly with Go.

I've seen my battery drop from 7% to 0% once, and it then charged back to 4%, but otherwise no anomalies seen.

What makes me laugh is it is a few blokes who get the job done in a day or less. I am sure once demand stabilises prices will come down.

If not I will keep waiting. As at current prices it just does not add up.

It's a sellers market as they say, I'm sure some firms are still being fairly reasonable but costs are up across the board.
 
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Evening guys, we've had a couple of quotes in for a solar and battery setup. Interested to hear your thoughts.

16 x 385w tier 1 mono panels -12 facing 41°sw and 4 facing 49° se
2 x Greenlink 3.2kWh batteries
1 x Lux 3.6kw hybrid inverter.


So 4750 kWh/per annum which is 139% of our current usage.
6.1kW system
9 year payback.
~£13k

Sounds all pretty good to me, and very competitive given the other quotes were both similar price flout for a 10 panel /1 battery setup.
 
Well I have to say this post is an anti recommendation, if there is a word for that. I guess a warning! Don't buy a Solax system until you read the below and know what your getting yourself into.

I had a Solax based system installed end of Nov and to be honest its performing far from my expectations.

So firstly I have worked out that its basically impossible to get an accurate generation figure from solax based systems.
The daily total is "yield" which is a combined total of what is generated plus used from battery. Unless you know the starting and ending point of the battery you cannot therefore get an accurate generation number. More on batteries below.
You can download data, in 5 minute or 30 minute segments. However it isn't apparent exactly what this data is.
It seems what it actually is is a delayed "spot" value. So for example if I download my daily data it will time stamp it something like 12:48:30 but it in reality is from 12:45
5 minute data and 30 minute data will supply the same values at the same time, so 12:48:30 will have the same voltage, amps etc for both the 5 minute and 30 minute windows, the only data that will display differently is the daily "yield" etc
Anything thats live will be a snapshot, so eg to from grid, from panels etc all just a snapshot in time. Totals will be incremented to that point in time.

So there seems to be no actual way to get hold of a simple figure like whats actually been generated. A 5 minute snapshot will of course be pretty accurate, but its not going to be super accurate. I assume many manufacturers will take a 5 minute snapshot rather than fully real time calculating generation/usage etc

Now hardware.
There is good and bad here.
The good, the install looks neat, probably the neatest of any I have seen. The system is modular and stacks nicely, either in a single stack or multiple stacks.
If you have multiple stacks then you will have a small amount of cabling between the "boxes" but that is minor.
Otherwise its pretty much all contained in a stack, isolators etc built in. It really does look like the picture, bar the main feed coming in from supply meter.
https://www.solaxpower.com/x-ess-g4/ The key part is however optional, the mate box which sits above the BMS and below the inverter. This is basically pre wired in the factory so everything is basically connected to that.
The batteries as well charge like hell, as long as they are not holding back they will charge at 5.5kwh from the grid. So should there be a short window you want to charge in, such as with Go, or maybe some other tariff then they will charge quickly.
Unfortunately thats about the end of the good.

The bad.
The software, I mean all of it, is just flawed. As above it doesn't show you generation, you have to kind of calculate that yourself. The terminology is kind of weird everywhere with Chinglish in many places.
Parts of the web portal don't always work, such as the daily generation didn't work for around a month. Often just times out, can take 5-10 minutes to load a previous days data.
If your into data, and software and want a decent seamless experience, then Solax is not for you. Likewise if you want to just be able to go, oh I generated 3.5kwh today, its not for you.
Oh actually one minor point of software is good, they were very quick to push a firmware upgrade to BMS and batteries when requested.
No idea how often they update firmware, but my BMS and batteries had different versions and were suspected to be behind an issue I will get to in regard batteries.

So the really bad bit. Well for the UK its batteries.
I first logged a "I'm not sure this is right" query in regards my batteries about 5 days after installation when I was convinced that I was falling well short of advertised output. I was told its all fine.
They are 12.3kwh with 10% DOD, specs quote 11kwh useable.
I am fairly certain based on really low generation days that my battery output is 8.4kwh give or take a little.
When we had the cold spell they stopped charging, I know from calling the installer that this happened to plenty of others since I was told I was one of a fair few calling in with the same issue.
Now bear in mind, these batteries are marketed as "combining the latest technology the X-ESS can withstand temperatures as low as -30 degrees celsius and as high as 50 degrees celsius".
So you wouldn't have thought that hitting zero or just below would stop them working completely, but it did and was again told thats what they do.
I would point out at this point, the installer at no point ever said there was a high chance that there would be times they would not work AT ALL.
I recently checked the input values since I charge during the Go window I have a very flat base line of energy usage.
The website values gave me a similar value of input from both Solax and Octopus. I was in fact only drawing around 9kwh of energy rather than something around 11.5 that I was expecting.
And yet the batteries were showing them charging from 10% to 100%. With a max draw of 5.5kwh they were claiming to draw enough to charge to full in 1hr 40 minutes.
No amount of wonky maths will get 1.66x 5.5 to be 11+
So I again contacted the installer about this issue, with examples and data to support my "they are not working correctly".
They came back to me to say thats working as expected when it warms up they will perform better oh, but not if it gets too hot.
Now bear in mind they were installed towards the End of November, it wasn't particularly cold then, and they did not perform to expectations at that point.
I am wondering now when they will. I am trying to get into contact with UK support, but got a bounce back message from the email they listed so thats not great either. I want to know what actual range they want. bear in mind the batteries are saying they are between 12-20 degrees and they aren't charging fully.
Once generation gets up and its warmish, I am going to have to make sure my batteries are basically drained so I can charge them overnight, its the only way to see what they will actually store, since the SoC (state of charge) basically lies.

Sorry for the long post and being a bit ranty at times. I really think anyone considering a Solax system should be aware of the above.
I don't think its much to ask that you can see your generation, and batteries that are claimed to withstand temperatures of -30 can actually work in typical UK temperatures.

I will report back if I make any progress. If not then take that as a further warning!
 
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I would look at setting up something like home assistant and using that for monitoring, rather than the official software. Huawei has the same problem with monitoring actual production. A lot of companies try to be helpful with random calculations that just confuse people. Just tell me what the panels have actually produced, it's not that hard! If your battery has a heater unit in it, it's going to lose energy keeping the batteries warm, there is also the issue of ac/dc conversion and the loss it produces. You may have 11KWh useable from your battery, it's just that the system is using some of that keeping everything online. Winter is not the time solar system shines, so try not to be too disheartened.
 
I would look at setting up something like home assistant and using that for monitoring, rather than the official software. Huawei has the same problem with monitoring actual production. A lot of companies try to be helpful with random calculations that just confuse people. Just tell me what the panels have actually produced, it's not that hard! If your battery has a heater unit in it, it's going to lose energy keeping the batteries warm, there is also the issue of ac/dc conversion and the loss it produces. You may have 11KWh useable from your battery, it's just that the system is using some of that keeping everything online. Winter is not the time solar system shines, so try not to be too disheartened.

Its not even drawing close to 11kwh, thats the point, so its not keeping it, its never charging it.
I expect losses, they quote 95% round trip efficiency, which would broadly seem to be around the level that I am seeing.
Winter isn't the time for solar to shine its the time for batteries to shine by charging them with cheap off peak units and using them during the day.

I didnt mention it above but I specifically queried batteries since I read the spec on the first version they were going to supply (it changed later) specifically said they shouldnt go below 0 celcius. I pointed out that happens a lot in the UK and was told its not a problem
At no point did the installer say its not a problem but the specs wont be what we are quoting, or its not a problem, but they wont work for days on end if you get a cold snap.
 
I will report back if I make any progress. If not then take that as a further warning!

I wonder if the BMS software isn't reading the packs properly and they just need recalibrating? Seems to me like that would be one of the easy things for them to check based on the data you have collected and supplied to the installer/manufacturer so far.

Keep at them, hopefully they will respond in a positive manner and quickly. :)
 
I wonder if the BMS software isn't reading the packs properly and they just need recalibrating? Seems to me like that would be one of the easy things for them to check based on the data you have collected and supplied to the installer/manufacturer so far.

Keep at them, hopefully they will respond in a positive manner and quickly. :)

Yeah I wondered this. They never specifically calibrated as such. Well not like GE do for example.
Day 1 they discharged around 20% (from about 30% to 10%) then charged that night. From everything I have looked at they never charged more than around 9kwh a day.
Where as GE from what i can tell fully discharge then immediately fully charge.
 
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Evening guys, we've had a couple of quotes in for a solar and battery setup. Interested to hear your thoughts.

16 x 385w tier 1 mono panels -12 facing 41°sw and 4 facing 49° se
2 x Greenlink 3.2kWh batteries
1 x Lux 3.6kw hybrid inverter.


So 4750 kWh/per annum which is 139% of our current usage.
6.1kW system
9 year payback.
~£13k

Sounds all pretty good to me, and very competitive given the other quotes were both similar price flout for a 10 panel /1 battery setup.

Gut feeling is not sure why you've got a 3.6kw inverter paired with 6.1kwp of panels, this has come up before here, but it seems most installers try and install the smaller inverter because it makes their lives easier.

Has anyone seen Octopus are now installing solar?


It looks like it's a Givenergy system based on the battery spec they've put in the FAQ with the sizes.
 
Gut feeling is not sure why you've got a 3.6kw inverter paired with 6.1kwp of panels, this has come up before here, but it seems most installers try and install the smaller inverter because it makes their lives easier.

Has anyone seen Octopus are now installing solar?


It looks like it's a Givenergy system based on the battery spec they've put in the FAQ with the sizes.
Overall an east west system will produce about 80% of a south facing one.

We have an east and south. My east panels do start early and fade, so if your panels were balanced evenly in each direction, then a 3.6kw inverter might just be enough. You are not close to this position, so I would definitely be looking at a 4.8kw inverter
 
Evening guys, we've had a couple of quotes in for a solar and battery setup. Interested to hear your thoughts.

16 x 385w tier 1 mono panels -12 facing 41°sw and 4 facing 49° se
2 x Greenlink 3.2kWh batteries
1 x Lux 3.6kw hybrid inverter.


So 4750 kWh/per annum which is 139% of our current usage.
6.1kW system
9 year payback.
~£13k

Sounds all pretty good to me, and very competitive given the other quotes were both similar price flout for a 10 panel /1 battery setup.
Honestly, although this is the norm at this time, I think it is expensive. With twice the amount of batteries and a larger inverter, it would be ok. Now Tier 1 means nothing, could be low quality panels produced by a very healthy financially company. Personally I ve decided to delay pulling the trigger until this mess clears.
 
Honestly, although this is the norm at this time, I think it is expensive. With twice the amount of batteries and a larger inverter, it would be ok. Now Tier 1 means nothing, could be low quality panels produced by a very healthy financially company. Personally I ve decided to delay pulling the trigger until this mess clears.
Battery storage

One of the people I chatted to said that the amount of battery storage can be calculated by looking at several days between when the panels stop producing any power and when they start up again at the worst time of year.

Take the average figure from this and now look at the amount of storage. The sensible choice would be to have batteries whose quoted power was 90% of your overnight use. This allows for the last 10% of your batteries that you cannot use.

I think (post installation) he was right and I should have listened to him more closely. He also said that most systems are designed so you can add a battery later if finances are tight, so it made sense to save money on batteries and not elsewhere. As always buy the best panels.
 
There is a known issue with SOC on these batteries that some people are experiencing a lot of issues with, I am weirdly not, but I wonder if it's because my battery is inside and I cycle it almost constantly with Go.

I've seen my battery drop from 7% to 0% once, and it then charged back to 4%, but otherwise no anomalies seen.



It's a sellers market as they say, I'm sure some firms are still being fairly reasonable but costs are up across the board.
I rarely have any issues with the SOC, had a small couple of jumps up % but as you, cycle them fully on Go - this is the likely the reason we aren't having the same problems as others.
 
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I rarely have any issues with the SOC, had a small couple of jumps up % but as you, cycle them fully on Go - this is the likely the reason we aren't having the same problems as others.
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@Mercenary Keyboard Warrior @HungryHippos my battery is indoors - and not really affected by the cold. I think this was just an anomaly as I had a few high draw applications that peaked at the same time and possibly used the battery rather than flicking to grid?

I looked through the logs it's the first time it's done it (I had to download the CSV and do some filtering) - so I think it was (I hope) just a one off. However it's also "good" to know that this is not something to be too worried about as long as it just doesn't happen continuously.
 
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