Solar panels and battery - any real world reccomendations?

The new Givenergy Gen 2 AIO looks very interesting, nice to see flexible products like this coming out. Not yet available, some time early 2025.


@Welshman could just be whoever typed up the quote typed 2 instead of 3, perhaps query that and the labour time, see what they say, but certainly worth getting more quotes.
 
The new Givenergy Gen 2 AIO looks very interesting, nice to see flexible products like this coming out. Not yet available, some time early 2025.


@Welshman could just be whoever typed up the quote typed 2 instead of 3, perhaps query that and the labour time, see what they say, but certainly worth getting more quotes.
Yup just put an email together to question both and to ask what other inverters they fit, due to the installer account needed for fitting future battery.

Looking around for other installers locally…. Or i may check current cabling as we cnatted about before and see if i can swap out the string inverter for the grwatt 4.6 hybrid inverter myself. As its the same size as current one and slots into the same wall mount already fitted and has intergrated dc switch.
 
What is starting to annoy me with solar, is that companies only want to supply and fit..... i cant think of much work that gets done at a house is like this. plumbers dont supply the bath, sink taps... leccy's dont supply the pot lights or switches etc etc.

But trying to find a solar installer or leccy that will work with the items you want fitted is like rocking horse poop
 
What is starting to annoy me with solar, is that companies only want to supply and fit..... i cant think of much work that gets done at a house is like this. plumbers dont supply the bath, sink taps... leccy's dont supply the pot lights or switches etc etc.

But trying to find a solar installer or leccy that will work with the items you want fitted is like rocking horse poop

I think you would be surprised how many trades do this now.
I think because of the shortage of many of them they are realising they can start to say supply only and you will struggle to find another who will fit customer supplied. Obviously it varies but I mean for some standard stuff.

We are having a log burner fitted in a few weeks. Was normal story, contacted a load, some didn't even reply. Some sort of replied but didn't really answer the fairly specific request and went into general waffle mode (which would have saved them time as I had already researched a load and was quoting what I wanted).
One who just happened to be very local engaged quite well but after a few conversations basically said "to be honest we only fit what we supply" and he meant everything even down to the hearth.
You could see with the items we were discussing a bit of extra markup. Eg the log burner itself I could have had delivered directly, but their supply price was around 5% more.

There are some advantages of course with them supplying as its their issue if something goes wrong.
There are plenty of stories of people with issues who self supplied and someone else fitted. Someone had a dodgy shower screen on here for example.
You avoid the issues with potential argument between installer and manufacturer if something goes wrong.

Your only basically after a fairly standard process though right, please supply and fit a new inverter. So you can get a quote for that and argue the price (obviously ask for fully detailed quote) of the inverter once they quote.
Assuming they price up the inverter with a large markup.

Its funny I have been kind of thinking of retraining as a spark. I think there is a gap in the market for a flexible solar targeted spark to work with diyers.

I suppose moving the inverter could be a chunk of work. Most of them don't seem to work alone and your probably on the its a day job type position for safety. Chances are unless its super tricky they will wack it out by lunchtime and get the afternoon off paid, or use it to quote for some other jobs.
 
I think you would be surprised how many trades do this now.
I think because of the shortage of many of them they are realising they can start to say supply only and you will struggle to find another who will fit customer supplied. Obviously it varies but I mean for some standard stuff.

We are having a log burner fitted in a few weeks. Was normal story, contacted a load, some didn't even reply. Some sort of replied but didn't really answer the fairly specific request and went into general waffle mode (which would have saved them time as I had already researched a load and was quoting what I wanted).
One who just happened to be very local engaged quite well but after a few conversations basically said "to be honest we only fit what we supply" and he meant everything even down to the hearth.
You could see with the items we were discussing a bit of extra markup. Eg the log burner itself I could have had delivered directly, but their supply price was around 5% more.

There are some advantages of course with them supplying as its their issue if something goes wrong.
There are plenty of stories of people with issues who self supplied and someone else fitted. Someone had a dodgy shower screen on here for example.
You avoid the issues with potential argument between installer and manufacturer if something goes wrong.

Your only basically after a fairly standard process though right, please supply and fit a new inverter. So you can get a quote for that and argue the price (obviously ask for fully detailed quote) of the inverter once they quote.
Assuming they price up the inverter with a large markup.

Its funny I have been kind of thinking of retraining as a spark. I think there is a gap in the market for a flexible solar targeted spark to work with diyers.

I suppose moving the inverter could be a chunk of work. Most of them don't seem to work alone and your probably on the its a day job type position for safety. Chances are unless its super tricky they will wack it out by lunchtime and get the afternoon off paid, or use it to quote for some other jobs.
i think the problem is that they think people know diddly squat about solar and they can charge more for that reason. its when they come up against someone more knowledgeable that it falls down.

I suppose we as a collective here know what we want and how things work and therefore, we know when we are getting shafted. i mean 2 guys with 15hrs total labour to fit an inverter is hog wash, pure and simple.
 
If we look at it in a very simplistic way the installing of an inverter ( no battery ) is 3 cables.

Fit inverter to the wall.....
extend Plus and Negative from the panels down to inverter,
Main cable from inverter to the house.....and tack cable to wall or put it into conduit.

All the other work is already completed. No Panels to fit, no switches ( integrated DC switch) or extra consumer unit ( already fitted with an off/on switch), no generation unit ( already fitted )

if that takes 2 people - 7.5hrs each i will eat my hat. £ 800 to do that and they want £260 for cabling. its at max 2x15mtrs solar cable, 15mtrs power cable.
 
If we look at it in a very simplistic way the installing of an inverter ( no battery ) is 3 cables.

Fit inverter to the wall.....
extend Plus and Negative from the panels down to inverter,
Main cable from inverter to the house.....and tack cable to wall or put it into conduit.

All the other work is already completed. No Panels to fit, no switches ( integrated DC switch) or extra consumer unit ( already fitted with an off/on switch), no generation unit ( already fitted )

if that takes 2 people - 7.5hrs each i will eat my hat. £ 800 to do that and they want £260 for cabling. its at max 2x15mtrs solar cable, 15mtrs power cable.

Yep agree.
Where is your inverter now? Loft or something?

I guess you missed the testing and the followup paperwork but its only going to be a full day job if they come across something unexpected.

You also need to consider that maybe they only book full days. I know my installers book by half days but I guess some just do whole days to make their life easier.
 
Yep agree.
Where is your inverter now? Loft or something?

I guess you missed the testing and the followup paperwork but its only going to be a full day job if they come across something unexpected.

You also need to consider that maybe they only book full days. I know my installers book by half days but I guess some just do whole days to make their life easier.
its in the loft, but once the new one is fitted into its new place. the one in the loft will be switched off and uncabled. So i can remove that myself.

i get they may only book half or full days....but its still hog wash. My contractors at work, cant go and do a job for an hour/two and book a full day on their time sheet.
 
its in the loft, but once the new one is fitted into its new place. the one in the loft will be switched off and uncabled. So i can remove that myself.

i get they may only book half or full days....but its still hog wash. My contractors at work, cant go and do a job for an hour/two and book a full day on their time sheet.

Its just how the seem to work. I mean you have two choices right...
 
I'm about to get a givenergy system installed. 5kW hybrid and 9.5kWh battery. The solar panels are 14x Trina 440W split across East and West pitches. I have a heat pump on openenergymonitor so I have pretty decent data.

At the time I wanted the givenergy kit because it's compatible with the intelligent flux tariff and I thought it would be a decent branded, integrated option. That seems to be the case but I'm getting a bit of buyer's remorse/even dread having recently learned a few things:

Quite a few people seem to be having issues of one sort or another on the FB owners groups. Is it genuinely a recurring issue with their software or is it just the usual bias from people only posting when something happens? I had hoped getting something like this as a total newb would be easy and a good way to incrementally dip my toes in.

I had hoped to chuck some more panels on later, and more battery capacity. More for the shoulder season than for additional peak export as the pvsol model already indicated I'd be exporting around 25% of my annual generation. Is it a G100 application or another G99 I'd need?

What apps and things do folk use for forecasting and optimising bits? I'm keen to compare tariffs as well, to the detail of inputting time slot consumption, it looks like that detail isn't always there for properly comparing if I'm willing to intentionally go quite a bit to load shift and maximise the benefits of any particular tariff. It's just me at home most of the day and I'm already on Agile, I was on intelligent go earlier in the year when I had a company EV (gave it up when I left, sad times!) before the heat pump.
 
Quite a few people seem to be having issues of one sort or another on the FB owners groups. Is it genuinely a recurring issue with their software or is it just the usual bias from people only posting when something happens? I had hoped getting something like this as a total newb would be easy and a good way to incrementally dip my toes in.
Any issues and it should be up to your installer to resolve them that's why it's key to use a good installer if you go down that path so you don't end up one of those moaning on Facebook. My GE system has been running over a hear and I've had no issues.
 
Any issues and it should be up to your installer to resolve them that's why it's key to use a good installer if you go down that path so you don't end up one of those moaning on Facebook. My GE system has been running over a hear and I've had no issues.
Yeah about that... The guys I'm in contract with have subcontracted everything and seem to be doing a pretty poor job of organising the tradesmen. The guys themselves seem fine but the main guys ordered the wrong roof hooks, sent the sparky on a labour-only contract but didn't order him a new CU or either power/comms cables, etc etc. Two weeks I've had scaffolding up now, with the battery and inverter lying boxed up because the guys have been doing other jobs. Lost my temper a bit yesterday and apparently it's all organised this time for Thursday this coming week but as you can no doubt understand, somewhat frustrating and I'd done my due diligence as best I could, just all I can say is the organising guys have probably been on holiday a bit too much to plan this job out properly.
 
Hopefully it's not solar together, but it still sounds like a mess.

If you add more PV and batteries, it depends how you add them whether you need to tell the DNO.

If you use only the existing inverters (without altering any export limitation) , then you've not increased your generating capacity, and do not need to inform the DNO. This scenario would be adding more solar to your existing hybrid inverter or more battery capacity to it.

If however you installed another inverter for more PV, or a separate battery as part of a AC connected battery then you will have increased your generating capacity and will need to tell the DNO via a G99 application.

G100 is only required if the DNO turn down your G99 and thus you need to limit export power.
 
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