Soldato
Really works with yellow calipers and that yellow detail inside, brilliant. Though I do prefer the £lol pearly red.
Something went wrong, ordered a Mustang, yet ended up in a British hotrod, I blame OcUK!
So much hate for black, seeing yellow tomorrow, I want to want the red as well priced car but something is not right:
Bonnet is 100% twisted or out of alignment.
The one I drove today, has height adjusters so it could be those, remember I had same issue on my SVR, but I can't believe the last six owners did not notice this.....
I've also got service history, should I be concerned?
2010 car:
2011 service, missing, but supposedly was done
2012, all complete, Ferrari
2013, all complete, Ferrari
2014, all complete, Ferrari
2015, all complete, Ferrari
2016, all complete, Ferrari
2017, was not done, missed
2018/19, due not but shall be upgraded to a major due to last one missed.
They have informed me the car was also an ex-demo car, so a loaner by first owners (Ferrari), so why on earth they specify the black on black interior I don't know but still I am little not so sure if an ex-demo car is good or bad idea, I am not worried about it been driven hard cold so much because that would have happened to them all at some point, sales guys ragging them, test drives, but as this was an official demo car, no doubt loaned to quite a few is maybe reason to tread carefully?
Its a choice between these two cars:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classi...hBU3J-s79SNov6bS94KplD7SYB5Z0DUPr89WdVQgriGak
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classi...BbqcN01f3rIjn1uHnfQOh-vmb59wQSHwWAu4ZbwYA-sOo
Both cars 2010 so both should have that more of an event to drive feel.
Right now I seriously can't tell you if I prefer red or black, I kind of love them both!
Prefer wheels on black one.
Prefer interior on black one.
Black is a year younger and 3000 less miles.
Red one has leather headliner which is nice, also parking sensors and folding mirrors.
Black trade in is 60k, agreed on paddles retrofit, brand new tyres, service etc at 135k, also agreed on 5.9% with Ferrari finance, a little more but keeps all in house.
Red trade in is 53.5k, agreed on lower centre carbon retrofit, tyres are still under discussion, painting calipers yellow still under discussion others £150 per calipers, major service included. Also 135k, but unknown on the other bits been included. They want 9.4% APR.
The black car needs nothing, they are pretty much at my target price, trade in and APR.
The red car for me needs yellow calipers, michelin tyres and I'd pay the 139k if they match the trade in offer unless my car sells privately above 60k would solve that.
The two cars are so evenly matched, the red is absolutely more a poser for photographs, has the whole I drive a red Ferrari attitude, check me out, the black is more understated but in the flesh just has a memorising beauty about it, can't really explain it.
Need to drive the yellow and red, but out of the two black ones the older one felt so much quicker and the sales guy was a unit of a bloke, so we had a lot more weight in the car and it simply felt way more of an event and more savage and better planted than the newer black car I drove today, the only complaint I had over older black one it smelt when driven hard but if as sales guy says its sat for three months, then I guess be why. The one I drove today had no smell, it just rattled a lot in the dash and of course no Ferrari warranty.
Bonnet is 100% twisted or out of alignment.
The one I drove today, has height adjusters so it could be those, remember I had same issue on my SVR, but I can't believe the last six owners did not notice this.....
I've also got service history, should I be concerned?
2010 car:
2011 service, missing, but supposedly was done
2012, all complete, Ferrari
2013, all complete, Ferrari
2014, all complete, Ferrari
2015, all complete, Ferrari
2016, all complete, Ferrari
2017, was not done, missed
2018/19, due not but shall be upgraded to a major due to last one missed.
They have informed me the car was also an ex-demo car, so a loaner by first owners (Ferrari), so why on earth they specify the black on black interior I don't know but still I am little not so sure if an ex-demo car is good or bad idea, I am not worried about it been driven hard cold so much because that would have happened to them all at some point, sales guys ragging them, test drives, but as this was an official demo car, no doubt loaned to quite a few is maybe reason to tread carefully?
Its a choice between these two cars:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classi...hBU3J-s79SNov6bS94KplD7SYB5Z0DUPr89WdVQgriGak
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classi...BbqcN01f3rIjn1uHnfQOh-vmb59wQSHwWAu4ZbwYA-sOo
Both cars 2010 so both should have that more of an event to drive feel.
Right now I seriously can't tell you if I prefer red or black, I kind of love them both!
Prefer wheels on black one.
Prefer interior on black one.
Black is a year younger and 3000 less miles.
Red one has leather headliner which is nice, also parking sensors and folding mirrors.
Black trade in is 60k, agreed on paddles retrofit, brand new tyres, service etc at 135k, also agreed on 5.9% with Ferrari finance, a little more but keeps all in house.
Red trade in is 53.5k, agreed on lower centre carbon retrofit, tyres are still under discussion, painting calipers yellow still under discussion others £150 per calipers, major service included. Also 135k, but unknown on the other bits been included. They want 9.4% APR.
The black car needs nothing, they are pretty much at my target price, trade in and APR.
The red car for me needs yellow calipers, michelin tyres and I'd pay the 139k if they match the trade in offer unless my car sells privately above 60k would solve that.
The two cars are so evenly matched, the red is absolutely more a poser for photographs, has the whole I drive a red Ferrari attitude, check me out, the black is more understated but in the flesh just has a memorising beauty about it, can't really explain it.
Need to drive the yellow and red, but out of the two black ones the older one felt so much quicker and the sales guy was a unit of a bloke, so we had a lot more weight in the car and it simply felt way more of an event and more savage and better planted than the newer black car I drove today, the only complaint I had over older black one it smelt when driven hard but if as sales guy says its sat for three months, then I guess be why. The one I drove today had no smell, it just rattled a lot in the dash and of course no Ferrari warranty.
Man of Honour
Yeah, I'd walk on that one, the bonnet and missed services. If I'm spending that kind of money, I'd want as close to perfection as possible. If you're having these concerns, the next buyer will too when you get rid.
Walk away
Walk away
Caporegime
I like this one. Though I think the main thing I dislike about the others is the wheels. The fancy red one with the wheels from this black one would look ace too.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classi...6bS94KplD7SYB5Z0DUPr89WdVQgriGak&modal=photos
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classi...6bS94KplD7SYB5Z0DUPr89WdVQgriGak&modal=photos
Soldato
Go for the black one.
Caporegime
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Not tempted by a 488?
Soldato
If you’re not sure, walk. Especially like others have said, at that sort of money It has to be close to perfect as possible.
Walk.
On a car of this value you dont want even the slightest niggle of doubt, it will ruin your ownership. Yes it puts you in a very strong negotiation position now but you know at sale time that flips against you.
Not at all I am afraid. Noise aint for me and again not such an event and way too easy.
Driving these cars:
Huracan: Insanely fast, you breath on the throttle and your at 130mph and feel like your doing 50mph. But lack of engagement, great theatre with noise and the brutal kicks in corsa mode and insane looks, but just needs you to drive double speed limit to enjoy.
Pre 2012 458: Fast, not Huracan fast, but feels rawer, everything feels more mechanical and more you, plus its fun even at 50mph on a back road your happy to drive it at 6/10's, the Huracan you want to drive at 9/10 or beyond 10/10 all time to enjoy it, at which point jail time is coming.
570S: Not driven, I suspect its nothing short of incredible, lightest car (1440kg) and old school twin turbo nature, very boost like 6-8k rpm, so suspect handling is best and maybe feel and enjoyment, but lacking in noise and the depreciation outright scares me and running cost seem a bit unreasonable, Ferrari is cheaper!
Plus speaking with owners of 488's who had 458's, they miss their 458's, says it all really! 488 is a masterpiece but the real enjoyment is how the car makes you feel to drive it at legal speeds, not what it can do on a track.
Why I took SVR over an R8 or a Porsche 911 Turbo, the latter two make going fast very easy, at legal speeds they are quite inert and boring, the SVR is an absolute hoot and giggle machine that feels a lot more edge to it at lower speeds, wants to play more, but when pushed is actually really practically as good as the competing cars.
Its easy to chase lap times, paper figures, being guilty myself of that, yet some of the time the real and most important factor is how it makes you feel to drive just at 30 or 60mph and how engaging it feels.
Associate
I still stand by my preference of the black one.
Black for me
Meets your criteria on everything.
I understand the need for a RED Ferrari, but if the seller has met your criteria and finance package. That is where I would go.
Good luck with what you choose. Epic cars.
Not a need for a red one, as I am not that fond of the Rosso Corsa, the colour is just bright and flat, nice but I'd not want one.
My heart was set on yellow or a deeper red, maybe even a silver/grey.
I only test drove the black one, to get my foot in the door to see how they drove, I never expected it to blow me away in person, don't know if its shape of the car or all the gold fleck in the paint, but just something about it and also maybe I don't want to be that person in a red Ferrari, I don't mind some attention and yes I know even a black Ferrari is going to get attention, but a red one will get all the attention, yellow too but yellow is cool. Now having seen black in the flesh its like now a favourite with yellow.
Just seems Ferrari don't suit colours well, either red, yellow, black, white, maybe silvers pretty much.
The Lambo any colour works, purple, orange, green, though black for me does not work on a Huracan, different cars work with different colours. On the F-Type I only wanted blue or orange, I did not like black at all.
Soldato
The black isn’t bad but if you’re spending that sort of money on a car such as a Ferrari, you want necks snapping when they turn around to look.
Yellow is also a good shout as it does look good on a 458, I think it looks much better than the Rosso red.
Yellow is also a good shout as it does look good on a 458, I think it looks much better than the Rosso red.
Caporegime
The alignment (assuming it’s not just closed wrongly) would be a worrying issue to me if I was in your shoes add to that the missed services - which won’t look great come resale time - and an ex demo, which ,lets face it,won’t have had an easy early life, personally I’d walk - especially given the amount of money involved.
You need this to be right and for the outlay I’d expect nothing short of exceptional.
I’m not personally keen on black (especially when dirty) but must say my bosses looks fantastic in the sun when clean, I just think other colours show the lines better especially in a car like that.
You need this to be right and for the outlay I’d expect nothing short of exceptional.
I’m not personally keen on black (especially when dirty) but must say my bosses looks fantastic in the sun when clean, I just think other colours show the lines better especially in a car like that.
Insurance have quoted me happy, change from the SVR to the 458 and increasing value to £140,000, everything else same, an additional £320 on the policy so working it out looks to be around £1200 per year, that is with Admiral multi-car.
Caporegime
Bloody good that - I pay ~£700 for my e38 guaranteed value @£6.5k with a 7.5k mileage restriction!Insurance have quoted me happy, change from the SVR to the 458 and increasing value to £140,000, everything else same, an additional £320 on the policy so working it out looks to be around £1200 per year, that is with Admiral multi-car.
Which really erks given my age, profession and lack of claims for the past 13years!
My address is the equivalent of Homs in Syria mind you.
