Sony Bravia 2015 Range...

My next TV will definitely be another Sony. They look superb, have got the picture quality and features to match and I've been very happy with my current one. It's a 2010 model, one of the first with internet connectivity and they still release firmware updates for it. Couple of the apps don't work any more because of changes to the services but at least they're trying to keep it up to date.
 
chroniclard said:
There are no artifacts on Netflix 4k for me, maybe the TV or stream you saw was defective.

Not saying its vastly superior to a BluRay or I can tell the difference just that it looks great on my TV.

4K is fairly "cheap" now, 1k gets you a very good entry level 4k TV with an excellent picture.
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what do you judge as an excellent picture?

i've had 3 tv's i'd say have an excellent picture

42" Z85B (panasonic plasma)
51" D8000 (samsung plasma)
50" GT50 (panasonic plasma)

no LCD i've seen comes close to them especially not a £1K one, i've compared with friends LCD's costing up to £2K and they all have terrible ghosting, motion issues and blacks, they only look good in bright rooms

what model of tv do you have?
 
purplesky said:
Have you had an eye test recently? You might get directed towards Specsavers.
Netflix 4k is awful, even still images have artifacts. 1080p bluray easily beats it.
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Even though I'm assuming thats a little tongue in cheek joke. Most people don't know what a good picture looks like. Most people don't have Blu-Ray players while most have DVD and think its good enough on their 32" screens. Then there are some who don't even own a disc player and rely on Freeview/HD Satellite/HD

Most even think Satellite HD is Blu-Ray. Fact is when most don't have a point of reference, you don't know what you're looking for even with good eyesight.

Also, most people in the UK will not notice much difference, even with a good 4k source. This is because the average TV size in UK living rooms is less than 55" whilst sitting a good few feet away. 4k is here to stay, but that doesn't mean to say it offers a much better viewing experience in most circumstances.
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Thats true but its a lot less than 55. Can't remember where I read it but some article shown in one of the forums either AVF or AVS showing the average size in different countries, I was shocked to see that the UK moved from 32" average size to 42" presently. Where 50" to 55" was in America.

bemaniac said:
4k netflix is not great. I can assure you my panasonic 802b is flawless with 4k however netflix is not the greatest looking source. My pc playing native 4k uncompressed videos from a private 4k torrent site (300gb+) is thankfully where it's at for 4k.
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I guess it depends if the person has digital noise removal and mpeg artifact removal on. Some LG and other sets have this on by default that you can't turn off. As its been discussed on AVF/AVS about some sets across the entire range of specific models.

I've also seen over time some people complaining/hating after owning Blu-Ray about noise in the picture when in fact its part of the source material. Yet they turn on these so called features to get rid of it.

TheHitMan-1973 said:
I am still happy with 1920 x 1080P :) my Sony KDL-42W706B is outstanding

How many people will really upgrade to 4K , most families will not bother with 4K thats my personal view . i maybe wrong
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There will be some but the majority will not. I think it was on AVF somebody from the broadcast industry, supposedly, said it be many years before you'll see 4k content aired/live broadcast. I'll need to try and hunt it down as it was 2 - 4 weeks ago.

Personally I'm dreading what Sky will do. Butcher HD to another level to sell 4k. Therefor SD will look even worse than 240p and charge and even higher price for 4k over and above the HD package.
Look at Sky HD as it is. I scroll through channel after channel thats all in white text. Not a lot are in orange and those that are, are questionable. Even some white programmes are listed under the HD channels.

Since most peoples point of reference for SD is the current crop of Sky SD channels thats truly dire.
 
V F said:
Even though I'm assuming thats a little tongue in cheek joke. Most people don't know what a good picture looks like. Most people don't have Blu-Ray players while most have DVD and think its good enough on their 32" screens. Then there are some who don't even own a disc player and rely on Freeview/HD Satellite/HD

Most even think Satellite HD is Blu-Ray. Fact is when most don't have a point of reference, you don't know what you're looking for even with good eyesight.



Thats true but its a lot less than 55. Can't remember where I read it but some article shown in one of the forums either AVF or AVS showing the average size in different countries, I was shocked to see that the UK moved from 32" average size to 42" presently. Where 50" to 55" was in America.



I guess it depends if the person has digital noise removal and mpeg artifact removal on. Some LG and other sets have this on by default that you can't turn off. As its been discussed on AVF/AVS about some sets across the entire range of specific models.

I've also seen over time some people complaining/hating after owning Blu-Ray about noise in the picture when in fact its part of the source material. Yet they turn on these so called features to get rid of it.



There will be some but the majority will not. I think it was on AVF somebody from the broadcast industry, supposedly, said it be many years before you'll see 4k content aired/live broadcast. I'll need to try and hunt it down as it was 2 - 4 weeks ago.

Personally I'm dreading what Sky will do. Butcher HD to another level to sell 4k. Therefor SD will look even worse than 240p and charge and even higher price for 4k over and above the HD package.
Look at Sky HD as it is. I scroll through channel after channel thats all in white text. Not a lot are in orange and those that are, are questionable. Even some white programmes are listed under the HD channels.

Since most peoples point of reference for SD is the current crop of Sky SD channels thats truly dire.
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When you think how long sky HD has been around , they only transmit in 1080i
 
I remember getting Sky HD in August 2008 for the Olympics. A few channels. 2010 arrived and there were more but still not enough and it was a lot sharper than it was today.

Even present day there still isn't enough channels and what there is now the bitrate has been in severe decline.

Sky+ HD is the brand name of the HDTV service launched by BSkyB on 22 May 2006 in the United Kingdom and Ireland to enable high definition channels on Sky to be viewed. For the first 2 years after launch, the service was branded Sky HD. The service requires the user to have a Sky+ HD Digibox and an HD ready TV. Customers who pre-ordered by paying a deposit before 6 April 2006 were the first to receive the service, with installations starting on 21 May 2006.
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OFCOM should set a minimum level of bitrates for HD services, until they do it will just remain rubbish with broadcasters wanting to compress everything to save on bandwidth
 
Psycho Sonny said:
Personally I'm waiting for a 60" OLED from either Samsung, Sony or Panasonic for around £1K.

I have a 50" GT50 to tide me over until then.
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Same position

Wait until something much bigger and better comes along in oled only
1-2k is my price point and 55in preferred
If I had to buy now it would be 1080p oled too
 
Psycho Sonny said:
what do you judge as an excellent picture?

i've had 3 tv's i'd say have an excellent picture

42" Z85B (panasonic plasma)
51" D8000 (samsung plasma)
50" GT50 (panasonic plasma)

no LCD i've seen comes close to them especially not a £1K one, i've compared with friends LCD's costing up to £2K and they all have terrible ghosting, motion issues and blacks, they only look good in bright rooms

what model of tv do you have?
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New Samsung model, UE48JU6400, just came out. Entry level for the range really but its really good, obligatory imo.

No ghosting that I can see or motion issues and appears, to me, decent blacks. Though the new smart hub is a bit lacking in some apps(iPlayer) but I assume they will get updated at some point and I can use that through Chromecast.

For the price I cant fault it. Will wait a year or two for a decent flat 4k OLED and relegate this to the kids play room. :D
 
chroniclard said:
New Samsung model, UE48JU6400, just came out. Entry level for the range really but its really good, obligatory imo.

No ghosting that I can see or motion issues and appears, to me, decent blacks. Though the new smart hub is a bit lacking in some apps(iPlayer) but I assume they will get updated at some point and I can use that through Chromecast.

For the price I cant fault it. Will wait a year or two for a decent flat 4k OLED and relegate this to the kids play room. :D
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I'm willing to bet the old PZ85B I had would look better than that TV when using the same 4K media file being output by a media PC to both screens.

The PZ85B was released about 8 years ago as well iirc, which should tell you how inferior LCD is to plasma.

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/Panasonic-TH42PZ85B/

I'd of rather bought a second hand plasma than an entry level 4K screen. Especially since there is next to no real 4K content at a reasonable price.
 
Don't listen to him :) I returned my last two panny plasmas due to video nasties unique to plasma and wouldn't swap my Sony LED for any of them.

Getting back on topic - I'd go for 1080p oled over 4k led without much hesitation. The only caveat being if you wanted something bigger than what's available currently in oled. Or if they're out of budget. Then again, once you start looking at 65" plus, you might want to consider a projector.
 
For those still interested. the new Bravia models are about due in stock throughout the UK between now and mid-May.

Still excited to check out the X85C before making a decision.
 
yeah I'm looking to upgrade from an old panny TH-42PZ80B, it's about 8 years old now and was only mid range at the time.

Gonna wait for some reviews on the 50w805c
 
Bought my 50inch panny ST30 years ago for £500. There are better screen available now but for the money it would cost my TV isn't going anywhere.

My brother still has a 720 panny which he would like to replace but OLED aren't quite there yet with their own issues, plasma is gone and LCD's are still playing catch up :(
 
I'm in a really energy efficient flat atm. In mid summer with the plasma, amp and pc on my living room can sit up at 30c+ :o most of the heat is from the plasma. Good in the winter though
 
Mal X said:
the only thing i wont do is buy LG OLED, it has to be Panny or Sony..........LG always WERE cheap and nasty
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The definitive word there was WERE they are not as bad as they were if you ask a lot of repair company's they have just as meany Panasonic's and sonys on there repair benches as LG's, I'm not saying LG are better than Panasonic but a lot of TVs now all have the same internal components supplied by the same company's
 
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