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South Korea Jeju air plane crash
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Soldato
Yeah, I think in this case though if it didn't crash into the localiser array which looks like it was mounted on a mound with reinforced wall? they would have smashed through the perimeter wall and across fields to slow it down.
It is not unusual to have walls, fences or embankments at the end of runways, plenty of airports have that. The plane hit the wall/fence because without the landing gear, they had no brakes and also the plane landed with too much speed - the lack of brakes is mechanical failure, the plane landing with too much speed is pilot error
Also, the 737 has no way to dump fuel other than to use it, so the pilots could in theory have flown around in circles to burn through all the fuel before coming down - this may have resulted in a smaller fire and saved more lives - the explosion was quite large, suggesting the plane crashed with quite some fuel still onboard
Also, the 737 has no way to dump fuel other than to use it, so the pilots could in theory have flown around in circles to burn through all the fuel before coming down - this may have resulted in a smaller fire and saved more lives - the explosion was quite large, suggesting the plane crashed with quite some fuel still onboard
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Soldato
Damn, if that wall hadn't been there they might have all survived. What a horrible thing to happen
I'd hazard a complete guess that with the speed and weight they were carrying, it could have been a complete loss anyway.
It can, though may not lock into place. That wasn't even attempted here as the nose wheel doors aren't even open.
Associate
RIP. New fear unlocked.
Soldato
Why hasn't nobody invented something that can stop bird strikes on the engines?
Because there's nothing that can practically stop it. You'd need some kind of mesh at the front of the engine, restricting airflow because of how strong it'd have to be to withstand air pressure and the weight of birds, and also risks coming loose and being ingested.
Soldato
A lot more perished when the Soviets shot down KAL007.
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People keep talking on pprune forum of the lack of ADS-B transmission point to the bird strike knocked out the transponder possibly?
The plane landed half way of the runaway so landed very late. Something went very wrong. Possibly the pilot decided to not take the risk to go around with no working engines and force to land.
But having the landing gears not deployed is a strange one..either technical failure or pilot errors.
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I read the pilot made a textbook belly landing apart from flaps, and obviously distance it landed deep on the runway.
I'm guessing the plane was pretty much a glider why it needed to drop where it did on the runway.
Staying obvious but if it lands further back it has the time to come to a stop possibly. Although I still say that antenna area is deadly and if this is the case in other airports the area should be redesigned for safety reasons.
Don
Wouldn't take much to put a concrete ramp up to it, ok the antenna get wiped out, but at least the plane isn't going head first into solid wall.
Ah, I see, I wasn't aware the pilot followed the textbook belly landing, so therefore, the landing gears couldn't be deployed. Still, a strange one as landing gears can be deployed via electronics if there is a hydraulic failure. (correct me if I'm wrong).
Most probably the pilots didn't had time to follow the textbook fully.
Regardless RIP
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Soldato
There are back up hydraulic systems in the event one is knocked out.
Instead of trying to stop bird strikes, they do try to make it so the engines can withstand one or at least fail gracefully without taking the plane down. They fire dead birds at running engines to test this.
There are tens of thousands of bird strikes on planes every year, so it's rare for a bird strike to cause a plane to crash, but it certainly seems like it was at least a contributory factor in this case. I think when you go through a whole flock of birds (which reportedly is what happened here) is when it's a lot more dangerous.
Commissario
However it's not unknown at all for the backups in some aircraft to be knocked out at the same time as the primaries. IIRC the lines often have to be near each other at certain points due to where they are going, and there are still "single point of failure" in the designs because you can't always remove them (if you want the backups to operate say the wheels you need to have both the primary and secondary going to the wheels).
From memory there have been several incidents where systems that were designed with multiple backups have failed due to things like a bit of turbine blade slicing through two or three independent lines where they had to meet to get to where they were in use.
I'm not sure if that aircraft had a manual backup for the landing gear, but from memory the manual system takes a lot of time to deploy and takes at least one member of the cockpit crew off flying*, whilst the gravity drop backup for the landing gear takes time to deploy and it can be better to not do it because it you get one or two sets of gear down but not say the left side you can be in a worse situation than if you'd not got any down as the aircraft will immediately start to go off to the side or might catch a wing on the ground and flip.
*Which was bad enough in the older aircraft where you might have had 3 or 4 people in the cockpit, modern ones only tend to have the two pilots (no engineer or navigator).
Not if both engines are out. Primary and secondary hydraulic systems will not work.
Some planes has electric one as a redundant backup. Not sure about the 737 although.