Southport stabbings

[shifty_uk]

Of course it matters. Upbringing could have a huge impact on someone, if he was brought up in a good setting the issue lies somewhere else. You can't fix something unless you know the cause.

That bloke, Richard Huckle(?) that travelled to East Asia to abuse all those children, do you think his parents brought him up to do that?

We’re speculating wildly here.

 

[200sols]

Of course it matters. Upbringing could have a huge impact on someone, if he was brought up in a good setting the issue lies somewhere else. You can't fix something unless you know the cause.

It matters to the police. All this does is make him a target for a lynch mob.

 

[jeffspuds]

just a general question if this would have happened in a far country what would have happened to the ****

 

[Devilman]

Of course it matters. Upbringing could have a huge impact on someone, if he was brought up in a good setting the issue lies somewhere else. You can't fix something unless you know the cause.

I will say again then.

"Did the father make him do it?"

This is a question for the police, NOT the general public. YOU do not need to know who the father is or if he is to blame, the police figure that out with their investigation.

Giving out the name of the attacker OR their father just stirs up the lynch mob even more.



Also.... The attackers name is protected under UK law as he is only 17 years old.

Giving out the name(s) of direct relatives is as good as giving our the child's name as it can be directly inferred who the offender is.

 

[CapitalOne]

It’s all gone a bit Nicola Bulley again. Let the investigation by the professionals conclude .

 

[Freddie1980]

Whoever committed this attack is a coward not mentally ill. He deliberately attacked women and children because he knew they were vulnerable not a pub full blokes because he knew he would get overpowered and get his head kicked in.

 

[robj20]

I will say again then.

"Did the father make him do it?"

This is a question for the police, NOT the general public. YOU do not need to know who the father is or if he is to blame, the police figure that out with their investigation.

Giving out the name of the attacker OR their father just stirs up the lynch mob even more.



Also.... The attackers name is protected under UK law as he is only 17 years old.

Giving out the name(s) of direct relatives is as good as giving our the child's name as it can be directly inferred who the offender is.

You're correct I DO not need to know. But like all things I might want to know.

I didn't suggest the father made him do it!

I haven't given any names out.

Merely said that someone's upbringing can have a huge impact on a person in reply to someone saying a person's father has no impact.

 

[200sols]

just a general question if this would have happened in a far country what would have happened to the ****

Can you translate to English for me?

 

[Minusorange]

But no I believe that being born in the land, or being handed a passport doesn't make you British. Just like me going to Japan, getting a passport doesn't make me Japanese.

I don't believe you are British then if that's the way you think, clearly you've been radicalised by some foreigners pretending to be British

 

[robj20]

I wonder how long we have to wait until the rest of the story unfolds. I imagine things like this go to court pretty quickly.

 

[Minusorange]

Of course it matters. Upbringing could have a huge impact on someone, if he was brought up in a good setting the issue lies somewhere else. You can't fix something unless you know the cause.

Christianity is the largest religion in Rwanda. The most recent 2022 census indicated that: 48% of Rwanda's population is Protestant, 40% is Catholic, 4% belongs to other Christian denominations, 2% is Muslim (mainly Sunni), 3% claims no religious affiliation, and 3% practices other religions including traditional faiths.[1]

So you're hoping he's in that 2% or 3% ? It wouldn't fit any agenda if it turned he was Protestant, Christian or Catholic

 

[adidan]

just a general question if this would have happened in a far country what would have happened to the ****

Just a general response then, do you want the UK to have the same society and respond like 'a far country'?

 

[jeffspuds]

Just a general response then, do you want the UK to have the same society and respond like 'a far country'?

dont really know bud but where does **** end, sad sad world my kids attend dance clasess could be anywhere. sickenening.

 

[Neil79]

Sky News

"We need to learn the lessons of this "

What lessons? How many more lessons do they need? Are all the stabbings across the uk, year in year out not enough?

 

[jeffspuds]

had it over our way the lads had swords taped too their arms, gutting.

 

[Minusorange]

Are all the stabbings across the uk, year in year out not enough?

What's do you propose we do Neil ?

 

[robj20]

So you're hoping he's in that 2% or 3% ? It wouldn't fit any agenda if it turned he was Protestant, Christian or Catholic

Have I missed an entire conversation or are you replying to the wrong person? I'm not hoping for anything.
As I have repeated for the other person that seems to be making a hash of reading I just said upbringing could have a huge impact be that good or bad.
If he's been brought up well then something else is the cause. There is no hidden meaning in my post.

 

[Freefaller]

Would you identify as British or not? I think half the problem is that rules and definitions are based on "decent character". Something that is openly abused by some which is why you can end up with multi generational problems.

From everything I've read from you on the forum you sound pretty well adjusted, contribute to family life and community with good work ethic. That is a stark contrast from someone who comes across hating the country they move to and then settle into their "community" (thus robbing the chance for their children to be able to properly participate).

Technically both of you are the same and the reality is you are not.

I'm not nationalistic or patriotic in the slightest. However I do respect the rules/laws/cultures of the countries I live in. I have an advantage that other than being olive skinned I'm effectively white (Mediterranean if that counts) and agnostic, but also married to a mix race person. So my familial demographics are all over the place.

I suppose it could be argued that I am more British than say a second generation immigrant superficially but in reality I'm no different, in fact I wasn't born here. Although I speak English with no accent and haven't had so much as a speeding ticket in my life.

There are many 10+ generations British people who have behaved as abhorrently as this person who technically is British.

I don't think the whole British nationality actually has a place.in this argument. Dunblane is a good example as the UK's worse atrocity towards children or mass killing the perpetrator was as white and British as you could get.

The person's state of mind, and any grooming or brainwashing they received is more of a concern to me as it could then happen to another person. I don't care about their ethnicity in all honesty. Indoctrination of the young is more insidious and alarming to me.

 

[Neil79]

What's do you propose we do Neil ?

To be honest, I'm out of ideas

If he's just come from his home with a knife, there's no stopping that!

Still don't know about this MI5 list though, and IF he was on it

 

[adam cool dude]

Invasions of the British Isles - Wikipedia

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So I guess if you have Beaker, Celtic, Roman, Germanic, Viking and Norman heritage, you're not truly British

He was born in Britain 17 years ago, he has only lived in Britain, how the **** can he not be British ?

You can be born in Britain and still be completely devoid of what it is to be British in culture.

Likewise you could be a foreign national and be more British than some British people.

To me being British is belonging to a culture, not the colour of your skin or the religion you are.