Spanish Grand Prix 2010, Circuit de Catalunya - Race 5/19

FrankJH said:
all those still remember Spa because for once LH DIDNT completely balls it up, wasnt he due a brain fade at that point in the season :D

You are totally correct, Spa was an absolute travesty (as I said at the time) but dayum he threw away soooo many other points its untrue
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Fuji where he outbraked himself into turn 1 and got a drive-through for it, was of pretty much equal hilarity.

The only reason people don't discuss it as much is because the FIA slapped Massa with a drive-through as well after he rammed Hamilton. But still, Hamilton didn't deserve a penalty. He could have quite easily recovered that race and ended it with a few points in the bag which of course would have put him further ahead of Massa. I guess this one was another case of "FOM says no" though.
 
NathanE said:
Fuji where he outbraked himself into turn 1 and got a drive-through for it, was of pretty much equal hilarity.

The only reason people don't discuss it as much is because the FIA slapped Massa with a drive-through as well after he rammed Hamilton. But still, Hamilton didn't deserve a penalty. He could have quite easily recovered that race and ended it with a few points in the bag which of course would have put him further ahead of Massa. I guess this one was another case of "FOM says no" though.
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what penalty did coulthard get at spa 98 when he caused pretty much the whole field to be in peices :D
 
sunama said:
My own personal fave is, "when the car behind manages to overtake you, you ram into the side of the car, taking him and yourself out of the race."

In 1994 it worked. In 1997, it didnt.
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Surely this is one of the main reasons JB didn't pass Schumi. I'm quite sure that Lewis would've given it a good go (in his gung-ho style, stuffing up the inside that's so entertaining and he does so well), but what are the chances that he would get through unscathed?

I would imagine that JB assessed his chances and decided to play it relatively safe, after all he got points and remains top of the championship. Sure, it's not exciting, but every point counts.
 
Definitely a lot of ranting on both sides of the discussion. Hamilton is really a polarising figure in F1!

Hamilton clearly had the advantage in terms of pace over Button this weekend, but what should be clear to everyone by now is that over the course of the season, these two are going to be incredibly evenly matched. I can't understand why people are so unhappy at having two competitive brits this season instead of just 1.
 
JRS said:
Oh good Lord....

Still??? Really??? Lewisteric fans are still going to dredge that one up? God in Heaven, how many times do we have to go over this?
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Ha! JLS, you do realise you mention this more than anyone else? And then when someone else does post it you blow a lid! Chill Winston.
 
robbiemc said:
Surely this is one of the main reasons JB didn't pass Schumi. I'm quite sure that Lewis would've given it a good go (in his gung-ho style, stuffing up the inside that's so entertaining and he does so well), but what are the chances that he would get through unscathed?

I would imagine that JB assessed his chances and decided to play it relatively safe, after all he got points and remains top of the championship. Sure, it's not exciting, but every point counts.
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I think the main reason people are giving him stick is that he didn't even look like he was really trying. Hamilton may or may not have got past, but he certainly would have tried and sometimes that is enough to force a mistake from the other guy and give you the place.

OTOH, given he had other issues with his steering wheel I can see why he wasn't trying too hard. It only would have given him one more place (since he never would have caught and got past Alonso) and it would have been quite risky.
 
I have to agree, with the problems he was having with his dash, and shumacher's history of "solid" defending, it was probably a safe bet to sit behind, and get some decent points.

I have no doubt that with fully functioning equipment, he would have worked his way past. Perhaps not in a LH all or nothing lunge, but a calculated overtake on the straight when he got a better drive out of the corner.
 
Also as stated (in a different fashion) in one sense Alonso would have stood a better chance of getting past Schumi - not because its Alonso but because of the different charachteristics of the Ferrari engine, for better or worse JB has the same engine so its going ot make it that much more difficult to start with
 
I also want to point out here (as i feel i may have started the whole argument about Schumacher Holding off Button) that i do like Button.

I like him a lot, he seems like a decent chap and is a great driver too.

I would also like to say that i am not really a fan of Hamilton but in my opinion he is driving better/ more excitingly than any other driver on the track in every single race...unluckily for him the results are not reflecting this fact at all.

What's everyone's thoughts on the Ferrari F Duct type system....Dangerous or not? it was certainly strange to see alonso's hand covering the port and flicking the steering wheel around with the slightest touch of the other.:D
 
I think its a little dangerous but then they are very skilled drivers, so should be fine for them to cope with.

I found Eddie Jordan's view a bit dumb, he said they take their hands off the steering wheel after the race which is allowed.. well yes they are not racing flat out :rolleyes: Also another clanger was when he said 'Barichello was 2nd here last year, look at him now down there' - yes not that changing team made that difference or anything.

Anyway, going by what some of the people were saying last weekend, it will open all sorts of avenues next year, like the uber diffusers they have this year, so it will be expensive. It is innovative but maybe they should only allow them via elements added in the rear wing (like one team had?).
 
What ever team that designed what is the Ferrari F Duct I would be nervous about being raced - majority of racers would do anything to win (we certainly know MS and Alonso would) and to be honest this is where the danger lies (trying to think of Kidman's quote in Days of Thunder - along the lines of "infentile egomaniac" hahaha) even if its holding ther hand over the hole for a second or two (or even a ms or two) longer than they should

Its surely a dangerous design - put in/on the hands of (sorry bad pun) people used to risking more than most in their daily job....yet also risking spectators and marshals (and other drivers) alike
 
AcidHell2 said:
Drivers take their hands of the steering wheel 10's of times every lap to adjust break balance.
this is no different.
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I think what Frank is talking about is removing 2 hands from the steering wheel.

In saying that, even when Alonso removes both hands, 1 hand is less than a few cms away from the wheel. In fact, a lot of people wouldn't even notice him doing it, if they were shown onboard footage - thats how close his left hand is to the steering wheel.

IMO, its not an issue at all and as such the FIA/Stewards have not raised any concerns over the device.

Of course, if Alonso has an accident, while his left hand is blocking the vent, the FIA's stance will change and driving with no hands will probably be banned. Until that moment, Ferrari/Alonso will continue on their merry way.
 
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