You seem to be completely ignoring crashes, pit stop stuff ups, penalties and the fact qaulifying a tenth or two can send you from the top of the charts to out in q1. It is not as topsy turvey as you think. Take those into consideration and it's just a stupidly tight season with a abnormal amount of stuff ups.
Spanish Grand Prix 2012, Catalunya - Race 5/20
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So what, drivers aren't allowed to turn at all, if someone is closing up behind them?
Schumacher misjudged what he thought Senna was going to do, but that doesn't make it Senna's fault for not doing what he was expected to do.
I'm stating facts and your stating your opinion which in it's self is ok
but don't make out your opinion is a fact.
Even one of the Merc bosses this race weekend was asked about the tires he just laughed.
We are talking about tires..so please give me facts to backup what you say.
Because all the F1 drivers say they can't push themselves or the car because of the tires they have now.
Come on explain why people crash, go off the racing line. If they aren't pushing. Also show me what years in f1 tyres 100% did not degrade and did not need looking after. You can't, your blinded.
It's all part and parcel you say it's so mixed because of tyres then say that put stops, crashes and stuff aren't facts.
Also explain if it's tyres why is qaulifying so close, why is it different teams. When the tyres can be pushed for at least one lap. Is it because it is so close that a single mistake can cost half a dozen places. Or Mercedes low downforce and tricks does stupidly well on a low downforce track. Me thinks so.
You also are not giving any facts, just opinions as well. As least I have some reasoning behind it.
It's all part and parcel you say it's so mixed because of tyres then say that put stops, crashes and stuff aren't facts.
Also explain if it's tyres why is qaulifying so close, why is it different teams. When the tyres can be pushed for at least one lap. Is it because it is so close that a single mistake can cost half a dozen places. Or Mercedes low downforce and tricks does stupidly well on a low downforce track. Me thinks so.
You also are not giving any facts, just opinions as well. As least I have some reasoning behind it.
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Yeah, the tyres require that the drivers drive differently; it's no longer about whacking out the fastest laps everytime and more about playing a longer game. What you need to explain is why that's a bad thing? It's still about driver skill, car development and team tactics.
There's been few seasons when it's been about smashing out absolutely fastest lap. This isn't the first time we have no refueling, in the past turning engines down so they don't dissenter grate before the finish, conserving tyres again is not new.
Because the tires can only do 8-10 tops with ONE fast lap then they are dead.
I will wait till you show me something as I have alread posted lap times.
Bridgestone could do 10 full speed laps then drop off after 30 laps.
I never said any of that! you sure you ant got the posts mixed up?
You got to agree it's a bit like the win 8 thread you dish anyone that hates it
and you are always right because you like it.
Dead after one lap? Give over they all fall off the track after the finish line do they.
10laps, no they couldn't. Most seasons/compounds could only do one flying lap in qaulify on the odd occasion two. After that times degraded. How many years did we have the super long lasting bridgestones? Not long at all compared to the sport.
I'm right as I make sense. If people don't like something fair enough. But when you come out with rubbish then I'm going to disagree.
Why does it matter if you do one stop on old bridgestones as they lasted ages or 4pitstops with these. Everyone has the same, they're still pushing, people are still crashing/making mistakes well before the cliff. That shows you they are pushing.
F1 has am ALWAYS and always will be a balance of compromises. You can't go flat out every lap. Depending on era and in a lot of eras multiple applies. You use to much fuel, brake the car, brake the engine, destroy the tyres. You have to compromise and do the quickest overall time. This hasn't changed. You seem to think it has. It hadn't it has always been a compromise.
What would you accept as pushing. Risk of engine blowing up? Can't do that rpm limited.
10laps, no they couldn't. Most seasons/compounds could only do one flying lap in qaulify on the odd occasion two. After that times degraded. How many years did we have the super long lasting bridgestones? Not long at all compared to the sport.
I'm right as I make sense. If people don't like something fair enough. But when you come out with rubbish then I'm going to disagree.
Why does it matter if you do one stop on old bridgestones as they lasted ages or 4pitstops with these. Everyone has the same, they're still pushing, people are still crashing/making mistakes well before the cliff. That shows you they are pushing.
F1 has am ALWAYS and always will be a balance of compromises. You can't go flat out every lap. Depending on era and in a lot of eras multiple applies. You use to much fuel, brake the car, brake the engine, destroy the tyres. You have to compromise and do the quickest overall time. This hasn't changed. You seem to think it has. It hadn't it has always been a compromise.
What would you accept as pushing. Risk of engine blowing up? Can't do that rpm limited.
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Now looking at this and the win 8 thread I think you need a good humping to get rid of your stress..be nice to your wife ;
Agh good old can't debate so let's sling some mud. Why can't you keep on topic.
Awnser This, what season in the entirety of F1 has been pure 100% speed every lap and not a compromise. Be it fear of braking the car, using to much fuel, not gaining enough time to do that extra pit. You seem to off forgeton F1 is about getting the fastest time over the course of a grand prix and not fastest lap(that's left for qauli, well even then not every season, starting on fuel load season, yet another compromise).
If I was doing what you say, I would be arguing with everyone. I'm not I'm picking up on points which are either wrong or IMO are wrong.
Awnser This, what season in the entirety of F1 has been pure 100% speed every lap and not a compromise. Be it fear of braking the car, using to much fuel, not gaining enough time to do that extra pit. You seem to off forgeton F1 is about getting the fastest time over the course of a grand prix and not fastest lap(that's left for qauli, well even then not every season, starting on fuel load season, yet another compromise).
If I was doing what you say, I would be arguing with everyone. I'm not I'm picking up on points which are either wrong or IMO are wrong.
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I like the season so far, like the tyres, possibly too much variation but it's the same for everyone.
I bet a lot of people moaning are in the traditionally good team camp where they aren't used to doing badly.
Despite the tyres being unpredictable they are the same. I like that it now isn't just how much money you throw at a team gets the best results. It's who sets the car up best for that race, it's about who can manage their tyres best, be it going for it or playing the waiting game.
I feel it brings more intelligent drivers to the front,
If a team gets strategy right you get a result. I don't think f1 is about pure speed, and it's about thinking too. Who. Wouldn't prefer this to when money = results
And it's not really unpredictable
Hamilton alonso and Kimi are all showing their abilities, if anything its more of a driver car partnership now than before when the grid would line up in manufacturer order.
Drivers actually have to assess the situation and not just put the pedal to the floor.
I vote yes!
I bet a lot of people moaning are in the traditionally good team camp where they aren't used to doing badly.
Despite the tyres being unpredictable they are the same. I like that it now isn't just how much money you throw at a team gets the best results. It's who sets the car up best for that race, it's about who can manage their tyres best, be it going for it or playing the waiting game.
I feel it brings more intelligent drivers to the front,
If a team gets strategy right you get a result. I don't think f1 is about pure speed, and it's about thinking too. Who. Wouldn't prefer this to when money = results
And it's not really unpredictable
Hamilton alonso and Kimi are all showing their abilities, if anything its more of a driver car partnership now than before when the grid would line up in manufacturer order.
Drivers actually have to assess the situation and not just put the pedal to the floor.
I vote yes!
Maldonado?
I guess every dog has his day - but for me the racing is just too unpredictable to enjoy. A crazy rain effected race is fun once in a while, but not every race.
You see someone being chased down and think great, race on - then he slows down because it was nothing to do with racing, he just pitted 4 laps later.
Great.
I actually prefer BBCs extended highlights to watching live this year, it's less confusing.
Well if all the cars are so evenly matched then i guess we can take one thing from this season so far.
Hamilton is the fastest man on the grid when tasked with getting the fastest possible time in one lap.
Qualy: 1st,1st,2nd,2nd,1st
Hamilton is the fastest man on the grid when tasked with getting the fastest possible time in one lap.
Qualy: 1st,1st,2nd,2nd,1st
Really?
Like Malaysia and China 2010?
Williams were hardly nowhere. Maldonado was 6th in the first race, before throwing it off the track, at Malaysia he was again in the point before binning it. A string of problems prevented him showing anything at Bahrain. In Spain, he was lucky in that his major competitors faced problems; and got a great result - but this is hardly an unprecedented result: look at Hamilton in 2009; a string of four finishes outside the top ten, then he takes the win in Hungary!
Disappear from the grid? Rosberg was 5th in Bahrain, and 7th in Spain; those are good points paying positions. Again, not unprecedented, consider Button after Turkey in 2009 or China in 2010 or Massa after Belgium in 2008.
It's been harder to predict this season because the qualifying performances are staggeringly close, the tactics happily more complex than before, and there's way more passing on track than there used to be but the idea that it's full of randomness never seen before is nonsense.
I, frankly, struggle to see why a variety of teams and drivers doing well should be seen as a bad thing. It's not like we're not seeing the cream rise to the top. Look at the Driver's championship, for crying aloud: five of the top six are former world champions! You're seriously telling me you think this isn't a season that reflects driver skill while that's the case? You're having a bath, mate.
No, he should retire because he no longer has the skill and his desperate attempts to cling onto some dignity by blaming everyone but himself is becoming pathetic.
When your winning titles left right and centre, refusing to accept you may have faults is par for the course. But when you are being beaten for the 3rd time by your team mate in a comeback that really hasn't gone to plan and can't even get past a back marker with the help of double DRS without plowing into the back of him, its probably time to man up and call it a day.
As I've said before, the 'Schumacher Experiment' hasn't worked. He hasn't won races for Merc, and he hasn't helped develop them into a top team either.
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As much as I don't like Alonso, he has been frankly epic this year. Its not just his performance on track either, its his whole attitude to the season. Most other drivers would have just thrown their toys out of the pram when presented with what was frankly a dog of a car. Alonso just got on with the job.
Hamilton is showing his raw speed again, which is good. If the team didn't keep screwing up it would be a Vettel/Alonso/Hamilton fight at the top.
Why does everyone think the Ferrari is such a dog of a car?
Alonso is joint top of the table and seems to be able to get some speed out of it!
Are we all just assuming the car is pants because of Massa's performances?
Maybe it is just Massa that is pants!
Alonso is joint top of the table and seems to be able to get some speed out of it!
Are we all just assuming the car is pants because of Massa's performances?
Maybe it is just Massa that is pants!