Spanish Grand Prix 2012, Catalunya - Race 5/20

[deuse]

Agh good old can't debate so let's sling some mud. Why can't you keep on topic.

Awnser This, what season in the entirety of F1 has been pure 100% speed every lap and not a compromise. Be it fear of braking the car, using to much fuel, not gaining enough time to do that extra pit. .

Just watch any Senna race he did it all the time. At monaco he overtook everyone bar prost in the rain
And in another race he overtook everyone bar the guy in second place. Also Our Nige did it.
It was the norm then true RACING drivers that's why they are legends now.

But lets don't forget all the drivers from the 60s who pushed and sometimes died...HEROS of F1 racing.
Today..well they are tire mamagers not racing drivers.

 

[FrankJH]

Maldonado?

I guess every dog has his day - but for me the racing is just too unpredictable to enjoy. A crazy rain effected race is fun once in a while, but not every race.

You see someone being chased down and think great, race on - then he slows down because it was nothing to do with racing, he just pitted 4 laps later.

Great.

I actually prefer BBCs extended highlights to watching live this year, it's less confusing.

+ 1 Million

 

[dalin80]

If the team didn't keep screwing up it would be a Vettel/Alonso/Hamilton fight at the top.

It already is as only 8 points separate the three, in one way we should be grateful for mclarens screw ups as without them hamilton would be walking away with it at the moment.

 

[Guerrilla]

This season has so far been exciting in it's unpredictability. It has been refreshing after the Vettel/RBR domination and processional races, would much prefer what we have had than a repeat of that.

It may well be the novelty will wear off but for the time being I am loving this season.

 

[arknor]

No, he should retire because he no longer has the skill and his desperate attempts to cling onto some dignity by blaming everyone but himself is becoming pathetic.

When your winning titles left right and centre, refusing to accept you may have faults is par for the course. But when you are being beaten for the 3rd time by your team mate in a comeback that really hasn't gone to plan and can't even get past a back marker with the help of double DRS without plowing into the back of him, its probably time to man up and call it a day.

As I've said before, the 'Schumacher Experiment' hasn't worked. He hasn't won races for Merc, and he hasn't helped develop them into a top team either.

lol bitter much?

drivers dont develop cars anymore its all done by computers just like the setups are all predetermined by computers, and even new parts are tested in a sim before beeing made for real.

theres not much impact a driver can have on a team anymore

 

[MooMoo444]

Why does everyone say Schumachers comeback is a failure?

He's already won more titles than anyone will probably ever get. His name is all over the record book. He has nothing to prove. I don't see how he can be called a failure. He's just racing for fun now.

 

[Skeeter]

Why does everyone think the Ferrari is such a dog of a car?

Alonso is joint top of the table and seems to be able to get some speed out of it!

Are we all just assuming the car is pants because of Massa's performances?

Maybe it is just Massa that is pants!

Did you follow the pre season testing much? The Ferrari was miles off the pace. Ferrari themselves even admitted there were problems, which they rarely do, and the drivers were kept away from the press. It was also quite obvious that the rear of the car lacked grip.

Malaysia was helped by the rain, but Alonsos second in Spain shows that the car is improving massively and he is dragging it up there.

lol bitter much?

drivers dont develop cars anymore its all done by computers just like the setups are all predetermined by computers, and even new parts are tested in a sim before beeing made for real.

theres not much impact a driver can have on a team anymore

If that's the case, why is Schmacher there?

You might also want to take a look at Alonso and Ferrari for an example of how a driver can affect a team...

 

[Irish_Tom]

It already is as only 8 points separate the three, in one way we should be grateful for mclarens screw ups as without them hamilton would be walking away with it at the moment.

I completely agree with this.

So far, it's been McLaren/Hamilton's championship to lose and they (McLaren) have done their best to do just that!

 

[Skeeter]

I'm feeling a Hamilton win in Monaco...

..so long as he steers clear of the stewards

 

[Irish_Tom]

I'm feeling a Hamilton win in Monaco...

..so long as he steers clear of the stewards

I really hope so, it's about time he had some luck!

 

[dannyjo22]

You might also want to take a look at Alonso and Ferrari for an example of how a driver can affect a team...

Does all this alonso praise make you feel dirty?
It did me for the first two years, eventually you just give yourself over to the dark side

 

[Mr Men]

Why does everyone think the Ferrari is such a dog of a car?

Alonso is joint top of the table and seems to be able to get some speed out of it!

Are we all just assuming the car is pants because of Massa's performances?

Maybe it is just Massa that is pants!

It's not so much a dog, but you watch in car with Alonso and it's always fighting him to break away, Alonso is joint top due to others failing more than what Ferrari have been doing. Just like 2010 when Red Bull did their best to hand Alonso the title.

Every ex-driver commentating on the Ferrari says it's a handful.

 

[Duke]

Does all this alonso praise make you feel dirty?
It did me for the first two years, eventually you just give yourself over to the dark side

Yeah you have to hand it to him really

 

[Mr Men]

lol bitter much?

drivers dont develop cars anymore its all done by computers just like the setups are all predetermined by computers, and even new parts are tested in a sim before beeing made for real.

theres not much impact a driver can have on a team anymore

What a load of nonsense.

 

[Skeeter]

Does all this alonso praise make you feel dirty?
It did me for the first two years, eventually you just give yourself over to the dark side

Not really. I've never denied that he is a good driver, I just don't like him as a person (or more specifically, the version of the person that is portrayed through the media).

You can appreciate skill without needing to like the guy. Not liking someone doesn't mean you think they are rubbish either.

Even his biggest haters can't deny that what he has done so far this year has been brilliant.

 

[arknor]

What a load of nonsense.

its fact not nonsense.
anyway
Aus - running 3rd
Malay - punted off while 3rd
China - running 2nd
Bahrain - DRS issues with comparble pace to Nico
Spain - fighting for points.

yep he better retire

 

[Skeeter]

Plowing into the back of someone because he can no longer anticipate what's going on around him followed by blaming everyone else, and firing abuse at the tyres to hide his inability to make up places from the back...

Yes, he's had his day.

Unless your suggesting being beaten by his team mate 3 years in a row and not scoring even a single podium were his aims for this come back?

 

[Duke]

its fact not nonsense.
anyway
Aus - running 3rd
Malay - punted off while 3rd
China - running 2nd
Bahrain - DRS issues with comparble pace to Nico
Spain - fighting for points.

yep he better retire

Aus - 0 points
Malay - 1 point
China - 0 points
Bahrain - 1 point
Spain - 0 points

With points going down to 10th place, that is pretty poor. His team mate had 41. Seems a similar situation as Ferrari.

 

[Mr Men]

its fact not nonsense.

Yes it is, when MS came back his fans blamed the car not suiting his style. Merc made changes to suit MS, a driver can steer a team in a direction that suits them and all the computers in the world can not replicate what the driver feels in the car, which is many updates that make it onto the track are thrown away as they don't work.

 

[arknor]

Yes it is, when MS came back his fans blamed the car not suiting his style. Merc made changes to suit MS, a driver can steer a team in a direction that suits them and all the computers in the world can not replicate what the driver feels in the car, which is many updates that make it onto the track are thrown away as they don't work.

a computer comes up with the fastest possible car based on suggestions made by the designers.
then computers come up with the fastest possible setup based on the simulation rig results.
then all the engineers have to do is change that setup so its one that can actually be driven.

a driver drives and makes whatever tiny changes he wants. (watch the inside williams factory program if you think this is BS)

With points going down to 10th place, that is pretty poor. His team mate had 41. Seems a similar situation as Ferrari.

AUS- schumacher sabotaged his own gear box
MAL- schumacher hit himself from behind while mind controlling grosjean
CHI- schumacher failed to secure his own wheel nut in the pitstop
BAH- schumacher reached out and snapped the drs mechanisms metal wire. (and still finished above rosberg by a considerable margin in the race)
SPA- his own fault but he was up where he should have been

yea its pretty poor indeed all these issues were totally schumachers fault.....