"Do I need this? Yes I probably need this."
Spanish Grand Prix 2014, Catalunya - Race 5/19
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"Do I need this? Yes I probably need this."
Let me fix that for you
In 1988 McLaren had that same stat for the first 11 races (every car that finished was either first or second, with at least one car winning). See here. Mercedes need to keep this up for another 7 races to match them.
Though, in terms of the first four races, Mercedes have had one DNF, whereas McLaren had two. It was a different era in terms of reliability then though - the points structure significantly favoured winning over reliability. In 1988 only the best 11 finishes counted towards a drivers points tally, allowing (potentially) 5 DNFs without penalty.
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The Mercedes are visibly quicker. On the power harder, and earlier than anyone else and able to hold tighter lines when they want to in corners.
The Caterham is just lol rubbish. They have no grip at all, sliding about all over the place.
And the noise... I like it, but its not loud enough. You get used to it and think its all good, and then the GP2 cars come out and vibrate the grandstand and you go deaf. But the F1 cars are far more interesting to watch now, even if not as nice sounding.
The Caterham is just lol rubbish. They have no grip at all, sliding about all over the place.
And the noise... I like it, but its not loud enough. You get used to it and think its all good, and then the GP2 cars come out and vibrate the grandstand and you go deaf. But the F1 cars are far more interesting to watch now, even if not as nice sounding.
Team principal conference.
For sure, blah blah for sure.
Everyone in f1 loves for sure.
If you heed time to think replace hmmm with for sure.
Need to agree way for sure
Need to disagree say for sure, then go against that and disagree.
And about 100 other situations for sure.
For sure, blah blah for sure.
Everyone in f1 loves for sure.
If you heed time to think replace hmmm with for sure.
Need to agree way for sure
Need to disagree say for sure, then go against that and disagree.
And about 100 other situations for sure.
Who is looking too much into practice times. In essence all I've seen is Lewis is a.country mile ahead... which he is. And mclaren look much improved compared to China. .. which they do... irrespective of fuel loads and power usage you can usually gauge a rough idea of where teams are.
Look at Williams now to practice Melbourne. .. They are going backwards.
I don't get how the media, most principles (not all), fiat etc. Don't understand you can not cut costs. It's impossible.
Teams get a pot of money through sponsors, it doesn't matter if you cut 90% if areas, you won't save money, it's just that last 10% get all the left over cash usually aero, which is pointless to everyone.
Leave it like it is, but try and deflect the money to things that have a use outside of f1, so derestrict the limitations on the ERS is one obvious area.
The only way is a cost cap, which would be impossible to implement.
Teams get a pot of money through sponsors, it doesn't matter if you cut 90% if areas, you won't save money, it's just that last 10% get all the left over cash usually aero, which is pointless to everyone.
Leave it like it is, but try and deflect the money to things that have a use outside of f1, so derestrict the limitations on the ERS is one obvious area.
The only way is a cost cap, which would be impossible to implement.
Not really. Although I used to think so.
Every team puts the same amount in to a Bank account that the FIA can monitor.
If any team needs anything then they tell the FIA what it is and how much ect.
Now if a team turns up with a new part that has not been sanctioned by the FIA they can't race that weekend.
Very simple to do and monitor. No grey area at all.
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Why on earth would it be Red Bull, they are swimming in money and Toro Rosso never have financial problems. Caterham/TR basically said in the press conference they are up to date while Lotus effectively refused to comment and have been behind in big payments for loads of things like driver wages.
I would bet money on it being Lotus, I can't actually see them giving up but if there was anything to brake the camels back then it could be a point after which Lotus give up.
That said haven't lotus have loads of individual parts of their engines fail? Aren't they looking like going through potentially several more engines than any other team this year which could also become a real financial problem for a team with financial problems?
I would bet money on it being Lotus, I can't actually see them giving up but if there was anything to brake the camels back then it could be a point after which Lotus give up.
That said haven't lotus have loads of individual parts of their engines fail? Aren't they looking like going through potentially several more engines than any other team this year which could also become a real financial problem for a team with financial problems?
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A huge portion of costs is in designing 10 different wings and spending thousands of man hours in design and production and only bringing the final one as a new part to a race. In that sense they would only have to count the final wing but could spend 50 times what another team did coming up with that design.
The real problem with cost caps is when say Mclaren can just put 20 guys back at the factory on the pay role of a different arm of Mclaren, not the F1 arm, yet basically work through the team. Effectively you can hide costs because these companies are huge and there is no way to regulate what every man hour and every piece of material costs.
You could farm out the cost of coming up with a lighter chassis by putting most of the man hours and R&D again on another arm of Mclaren.
The big teams can push money around and effectively choose precisely how much via creative accounting to put into the team's books. The final wing and most of the R&D off the books, the final chassis, buy some materials and gift them from one part of the company to another, just have it as ordered too much so sell it at a huge subsidy to the F1 arm of Mclaren saving huge money.
You can't do a cost cap because big companies can just exceptionally easily hide spending.
They've tried to do caps via regulations because if you freeze engine R&D then the price comes down. It's not at all easy to cap costs unless you come up with some standard parts. Every team coming up with their own wheel cap system costs money, particularly when it goes wrong and they have to redesign it. If everyone had to use the same system it still costs money for teams to adapt but then they wouldn't have to keep changing to compete with each other. But how many things can you make standard before the cars are too similar, and even if you standardise simpler things like wheel caps.... the big teams will just spend that extra money on more front wing designs.
It's really difficult when it would be 100% reliant on teams being honest and including every minute of every persons time, but we already know they won't from past history.
Or where parent companies own several smaller companies. Private investor, invest millions, to make a part, team buys it for a sensible price which makes it past the books, but in reality have spent 50x more.
It's impossible. Its not even as easy as books for hmrc, as lots of the ways around it aren't illegal in terms of HR;C, as each companies supplies there own books and gets charged tax. Where f1 you have to try and tie money to f1, which is impossible with the multi faceted companies that are in f1.
It's impossible. Its not even as easy as books for hmrc, as lots of the ways around it aren't illegal in terms of HR;C, as each companies supplies there own books and gets charged tax. Where f1 you have to try and tie money to f1, which is impossible with the multi faceted companies that are in f1.