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Hi guys. Does anyone have an opinion on the 5mp vs the 8mp Dahua Tioc turrets that have been recently released?

5MP has the better night image quality. 8MP doesn’t have the same illumination range, night images are more grainy and there are more sparklies under marginal illumination conditions. The 5MP is F1.0 whereas the 8MP is F1.6. That’s a awful lot of extra light through the 5MP lens and you can really see it on the images. You know when they launch a product that is ‘just right’? That’s the 5MP bullet TiOC.

8MP has the better pub bragging rights and because very few people spec them they’re actually not a lot more expensive than the 5MP.

If you can find them the 2MP has the best night picture quality of all of them. But obviously no-one wants 1080P in 2021...
 
5MP has the better night image quality. 8MP doesn’t have the same illumination range, night images are more grainy and there are more sparklies under marginal illumination conditions. The 5MP is F1.0 whereas the 8MP is F1.6. That’s a awful lot of extra light through the 5MP lens and you can really see it on the images. You know when they launch a product that is ‘just right’? That’s the 5MP bullet TiOC.

8MP has the better pub bragging rights and because very few people spec them they’re actually not a lot more expensive than the 5MP.

If you can find them the 2MP has the best night picture quality of all of them. But obviously no-one wants 1080P in 2021...
Ahh, the law of diminishing returns!
Thanks for the heads up.
 
So far so good, no more false alerts on the TiOC when my boiler fires up and creates a plume of moisture in the image!

@WJA96 Hmm. It looks like the TiOC is not actually recording anything at all now, although i've not tested at night time when my alarm is set. I've just set up another 'intrusion' rule that covers the period not covered by the night time alarm period and it does not detect me when I am outside (walking in and out of the area selected).

I think I need some help! Maybe I am doing something wrong or perhaps because the camera is not 'supported' by surveillance station it is not possible to record motion from 'human' detection?

Some screenshots to hopefully make things clearer.

Just to confirm, I have all items in the 'video detection' and 'smart motion detection' menus disabled as you previously mentioned.

The screen shot below (in the camera's UI itself) shows the intrusion rule #2 where I don't want the alarm to be going off during the day time.

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This is the period in which is set for the day time. There are two period 'settings' buttons in the above screenshot, I've set both the same.

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Lastly, this is a screenshot from surveillance station:

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Just a thought, do I need to do anything under the 'storage' menu on the camera itself? I've just noticed there is a 'destination' setting which lets me select NAS and I can type in the IP address etc. Should this be set? I've not had to set this on any of the other camera's.
 
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If you've told Surveillance Station that you only want it to record when it's triggered then that's what it should do. Surveillance station knows where the camera is, because it's seeing it in Live View and doubtless it will record if you tell it to.

My initial reaction was that the time isn't set for any day except Sunday. If you click ALL and set your timer and save it doesn't it come up with all the boxes ticked?

If that's the case, is the IVS actually working? If you turn the flashing lights on, does it flash at you when you walk into the detection zone?
 
If you've told Surveillance Station that you only want it to record when it's triggered then that's what it should do. Surveillance station knows where the camera is, because it's seeing it in Live View and doubtless it will record if you tell it to.


In the surveillance station settings I have set the camera's record schedule to motion detection 24/7

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My initial reaction was that the time isn't set for any day except Sunday. If you click ALL and set your timer and save it doesn't it come up with all the boxes ticked?

Nope, clicking the 'all' box and then clicking save results the same 'Sun' box only being ticked but the green bars on each day of the week in the correct time frame.

If that's the case, is the IVS actually working? If you turn the flashing lights on, does it flash at you when you walk into the detection zone?

Good point. I've just enabled the lights and walked in to the detection area and it is flashing at me. I am really stumped on what the issue is.

P.S 'Smart Plan' Is enabled (the box is orange).
 
Nope, I have a blank period between 3:30 and now.

When you say you have a blank period is it recording 24/7 or only when the camera tells Surveillance Station? If it’s recording 24/7 then all it should do is mark a detection event in the recording so you can find it easily later.
 
And IVS on your other cameras is working?

They seem to be working ok. I've notice an extra menu I have for them in surveillance stations 'event detection' menu which I have highlighted below. I don't have this option on the TiOC - I do remember seeing it earlier today when I had the camera set to 'Generic Dahua camera' in surveillance station and not configured as ONVIF. When I had the camera set to 'generic dahua camera' I couldn't get this to work properly either. With those boxes ticked it would just record motion such as snow fall.

My other cameras do still give me false alerts, they do not have the option to specify 'human' or vehicle etc.

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For quick reference, this is the patio camera where you can see the above menu is missing when configured as 'onvif'.

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When you say you have a blank period is it recording 24/7 or only when the camera tells Surveillance Station? If it’s recording 24/7 then all it should do is mark a detection event in the recording so you can find it easily later.

Sorry no, what I mean is I have set all the camera's to only record when motion is detected. I thought it might be better for my hard drives that way!
 
If you tick the box for Enable on Surveillance Station and let it do it on the NAS rather than driving it from the camera does that help?
 
Ahh I thought you had cracked it for a second then. It did record myself popping outside but it is also recording any random motion (boiler fumes occuring at the min too).

Thinking about it, before you mentioned about having it setup as ONVIF I did have it set to do the detection by surveillance station as I did not (for some reason) have the drop down to change it to 'by camera'.

P.S thank you for all your help so far!

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Ahh I thought you had cracked it for a second then. It did record myself popping outside but it is also recording any random motion (boiler fumes occuring at the min too).

Thinking about it, before you mentioned about having it setup as ONVIF I did have it set to do the detection by surveillance station as I did not (for some reason) have the drop down to change it to 'by camera'.

P.S thank you for all your help so far!

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Just setting mine up only one cam up so far as you can see busy with reservations in the house renovations i have nothing like that event detection etc ? MY control panel looks nothing like that at all ?

Can't seem to switch alarm off when it triggers the sound i mean ?


If i go to PIR Alarm i get Cam 1 failed to get configuration else where i can't see anywhere to switch sound off?

Help please lol :D


Thanks
 
Don’t use the menu on the NVR. You need to use the menu on the camera via the web interface. In the camera list there is an internet explorer logo by each camera name. Click on that and you’ll be taken to the camera web interface. Loads more options there!
 
@Matrix as WJA96 mentioned above. The pics you've quoted me on are from my synology nas which I am using as the NVR so will look different to yours. My posts on #3087 show the menus of the actual camera itself where I set mine up.

Under 'Event' make sure you disable 'video detection' and 'smart motion detection'. Click on 'Smart plan' and click on the light bulb so that the box it is within goes orange (enabled). You can then setup your rule in the 'IVS' menu like in my post #3087. If you want to disable the alarm for now whilst your testing things, uncheck 'audio linkage' on the rule you create. You can leave the 'warning light' on so you know if it's alarming correctly i.e when you go outside and dance around in front of the camera... ;)

P.S I am not expert at this, just a lot of help from WJA96 and a lot of messing around on my own! I still haven't got mine configured exactly how I want it.
 
Don’t use the menu on the NVR. You need to use the menu on the camera via the web interface. In the camera list there is an internet explorer logo by each camera name. Click on that and you’ll be taken to the camera web interface. Loads more options there!

Thank you WJA96

Ah found it wondered what that internet explore logo did !

Managed to switch it off now making the noise at least i have the connection working will have a look through this tomorrow more and put the bullet up .

Thank you for your reply!
 
@Matrix as WJA96 mentioned above. The pics you've quoted me on are from my synology nas which I am using as the NVR so will look different to yours. My posts on #3087 show the menus of the actual camera itself where I set mine up.

Under 'Event' make sure you disable 'video detection' and 'smart motion detection'. Click on 'Smart plan' and click on the light bulb so that the box it is within goes orange (enabled). You can then setup your rule in the 'IVS' menu like in my post #3087. If you want to disable the alarm for now whilst your testing things, uncheck 'audio linkage' on the rule you create. You can leave the 'warning light' on so you know if it's alarming correctly i.e when you go outside and dance around in front of the camera... ;)

P.S I am not expert at this, just a lot of help from WJA96 and a lot of messing around on my own! I still haven't got mine configured exactly how I want it.

Thank you will have a look in to this tomorrow hit the wall now been at it since 7am this morning :)

:)
 
@Matrix as WJA96 mentioned above. The pics you've quoted me on are from my synology nas which I am using as the NVR so will look different to yours. My posts on #3087 show the menus of the actual camera itself where I set mine up.

Under 'Event' make sure you disable 'video detection' and 'smart motion detection'. Click on 'Smart plan' and click on the light bulb so that the box it is within goes orange (enabled). You can then setup your rule in the 'IVS' menu like in my post #3087. If you want to disable the alarm for now whilst your testing things, uncheck 'audio linkage' on the rule you create. You can leave the 'warning light' on so you know if it's alarming correctly i.e when you go outside and dance around in front of the camera... ;)

P.S I am not expert at this, just a lot of help from WJA96 and a lot of messing around on my own! I still haven't got mine configured exactly how I want it.

Had to have a quick look so your saying switch off Motion detection here



Then I can create a rule saying from 7am till 5pm don't show flashing lights etc when area gets broken?

And I can add another from 5pm till 7am show flashing lights etc in certain areas ?

Thanks
 
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