Spec me a CCTV System

Trig said:
Yes, the ports on the back of an NVR will do PoE.

If you have a PoE doorbell cam, and its ONVIF compatible you could connect it to the back of the NVR, however the app for the doorbell cam wouldn't work as the NVR wouldn't pass through the ports etc..

You could connect the doorbell cam to the network and get power from elsewhere, and then still ONVIF it to the NVR so you have recording on that as well.
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That’s not correct - certainly for Dahua and Hikvision the devices work just fine as the recorder passes the data to the app like any other connected device. If you have the displays you can even see the surveillance cameras on the room displays.
 
Currently looking at: Hikvision 8MP ColorVu AcuSense 2.8mm Lens Turret Camera with Built in Mic DS-2CD2387G2-LU/BLACK

Seems to be around £160 which I will plug into NVR and into the network.
Will be overlooking front of house / drive but want best quality I can get, ish.

Is this a good choice?

Thanks.
 
WJA96 said:
That‘s a decent camera. No issues. I’m sure you’re aware of the 8MP vs. 4/5MP sensitivity thing and you’re happy that you’ll have plenty of light to do the job?
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I had read somewhere briefly that 8MP a worse at night than 4MP, is that right?

At the moment we have just the garage lights, not really lighting the whole driveway though. Have no issue installing floodlight if 8MP will be better in quality with some extra light?

Or is 4MP a better choice overall still?

Thank you!
 
They make their own illumination, if you’re happy to have them lit up all night. Some people don’t like ‘night lights’ around their home so if you’re aware of the issue and you’re happy with the ‘night light’ then those are good.
 
WJA96 said:
That’s not correct - certainly for Dahua and Hikvision the devices work just fine as the recorder passes the data to the app like any other connected device. If you have the displays you can even see the surveillance cameras on the room displays.
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I was refering to having the door bell cam on the NVR and then the NVR allowing the doorbell cam to talk through its own app, not the NVR app, as the doorbell cam wouldn't be on the open side of the network, in the same way as you cant talk directly to a camera on the closed side of the NVR but only indirectly through the NVR itself (web interface or the NVR app).
 
Trig said:
I was refering to having the door bell cam on the NVR and then the NVR allowing the doorbell cam to talk through its own app, not the NVR app, as the doorbell cam wouldn't be on the open side of the network, in the same way as you cant talk directly to a camera on the closed side of the NVR but only indirectly through the NVR itself (web interface or the NVR app).
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Which system are you saying won’t pass the doorbell information to the phone App? On both Dahua and Hikvision P2P the doorbell is added by itself, whether it’s powered and addressed by the NVR or a PoE switch or an injector.

The NVR NATs the camera, doorbell or anything else powered off it to its own IP address and the camera or doorbell is still visible in the App. You can see the doorbell twice in the App, once as the doorbell and once as a camera on the NVR. It’s the doorbell that ‘rings’, not the NVR, the NVR just passes the information through from the SIP server on the doorbell.

The doorbell does need to be added to the App separately, or it won’t ring, which may be part of the confusion, but it works just fine. Certainly on the ones we’re currently installing.

If you think about what you’ve typed, you can access the individHal settings on each camera when connected from the NVR, but you have to go through the App on your phone or the NVR dashboard and because of the way P2P connects you to the cameras, it will quite happily let you log into the camera directly. It’s one of the great vulnerabilities of P2P as a means of accessing anything.
 
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WJA96 said:
They make their own illumination, if you’re happy to have them lit up all night. Some people don’t like ‘night lights’ around their home so if you’re aware of the issue and you’re happy with the ‘night light’ then those are good.
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I thought with the G2 cameras and newer you can also have it set similar to the Dahua TiOC2 cameras where the light only comes on during an event. Is that not the case?
 
WJA96 said:
Which system are you saying won’t pass the doorbell information to the phone App? On both Dahua and Hikvision P2P the doorbell is added by itself, whether it’s powered and addressed by the NVR or a PoE switch or an injector.

The NVR NATs the camera, doorbell or anything else powered off it to its own IP address and the camera or doorbell is still visible in the App. You can see the doorbell twice in the App, once as the doorbell and once as a camera on the NVR. It’s the doorbell that ‘rings’, not the NVR, the NVR just passes the information through from the SIP server on the doorbell.

The doorbell does need to be added to the App separately, or it won’t ring, which may be part of the confusion, but it works just fine. Certainly on the ones we’re currently installing.

If you think about what you’ve typed, you can access the individHal settings on each camera when connected from the NVR, but you have to go through the App on your phone or the NVR dashboard and because of the way P2P connects you to the cameras, it will quite happily let you log into the camera directly. It’s one of the great vulnerabilities of P2P as a means of accessing anything.
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I'll accept your post then as you seem to know more than me on the subject, it certainly didn't work on the doorbells own app back when I was playing with it, however, its been a few years since I was installing CCTV stuff, it was primarily Honeywell kit (Their own kit, not the cheaper rebadged Dahua they started moving when they realised HIK were stealing the bottom end).
 
Trig said:
I'll accept your post then as you seem to know more than me on the subject, it certainly didn't work on the doorbells own app back when I was playing with it, however, its been a few years since I was installing CCTV stuff, it was primarily Honeywell kit (Their own kit, not the cheaper rebadged Dahua they started moving when they realised HIK were stealing the bottom end).
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To clarify, you are correct in that if you just plug the doorbell into the NVR it will only work as a camera. To get it to work as a doorbell you have to add it in to the app as a seperate device.
 
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WJA96 said:
To clarify, you are correct in that if you just plug the doorbell into the NVR it will only work as a camera. To get it to work as a doorbell you have to add it in to the app as a seperate device.
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Yeah thats what I meant, if you have it on the closed side of the NVR it's just a camera (presuming its ONVIF compatible to some level) but if you had it on the open side you could use it as a camera on the NVR (static IP, ONVIF) and on its own doorbell app on your phone as normal..
 
The NVR is a NAT router. Both Dahua and Hikvision (and Axis and Avigilon) use the 10.1.x.x range inside the NVR and the NVR has a ‘public’ IP address in whatever your internal network IP address range is and when you ask to see a camera the NVR passes that stream to your computer (or app). And it doesn’t mind if it’s video data streamed on port 37777 or the SIP video call data from the doorbell on port 5060. So the doorbell will work as a doorbell even if it’s powered off the NVR and behind the NVR’s NAT but it has to be separate in the phone app because the alert is coming in on port 5060 rather than port 37777 with the rest of the video data.
 
Mentioned the above to a mate of mine who I linked to (but was deleted as a referral) up the thread and he's fitting one of those tomorrow lol
He said something about how it only works on the HomeControl app which doesn't support the HIKCCTV stuff, but they say that's going to change apparently...
 
It looks very simplistic - literally put the battery in, screw it to the wall and it should work as a wireless doorbell. It will take a lot to shift me off the Dahua VTO2311R-WP as my go-to doorbell. But that system should be very cheap - £120-ish.

The Pyronix ProControl+ App can handle cameras and doorbells but maybe not this particular doorbell. It seems crazy to have a ‘pro’ app and a ‘home’ app. Dahua just have the one.
 
WJA96 said:
It looks very simplistic - literally put the battery in, screw it to the wall and it should work as a wireless doorbell. It will take a lot to shift me off the Dahua VTO2311R-WP as my go-to doorbell. But that system should be very cheap - £120-ish.

The Pyronix ProControl+ App can handle cameras and doorbells but maybe not this particular doorbell. It seems crazy to have a ‘pro’ app and a ‘home’ app. Dahua just have the one.
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Ah, I'd been looking at the VTO2311R-WP! Do you rate it then?
 
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