Star Trek: Picard

Minstadave · 31 Mar 2023 at 21:38

mid_gen said:
So, is this series worth persevering with? I watched the first episode years ago but it didn't really grab me.

I did the same and binned it off. Skipped season 2. Season 3 is a good nostalgia trip but the writing is pretty weak and the massive plot holes are an issue.

Stu999 · 31 Mar 2023 at 21:41

mid_gen said:
So, is this series worth persevering with? I watched the first episode years ago but it didn't really grab me.

Just watch series 3 and skip the others or find a recap on YouTube.

Stu999 · 31 Mar 2023 at 21:46

VincentHanna said:
And why wouldn't they just murder the bridge crew?

I also thought why wouldn’t Lore beam them all into space when he was interfaced with the Titan, since he hates humanity apparently.

Similarly, surely Data can do something in the same situation? (Granted that might happen next episode.)

VincentHanna · 31 Mar 2023 at 21:51

Data might still abide by the prime directive.

Washout · 1 Apr 2023 at 15:06

Chatting with a friend and think I’ve cracked the big bad…

after jack due to something locutus related he’s inherited. Able to network into starfleet with admiral dna, all ships in one place. Bit bsg like but ok.
Aliens, species 8472. Bio tech so able to mess with the changlings and have something in common. Starfleet engineered weapons to wipe them out too. Voyager gave them to the Borg of all races… fair enough they wanted to kill all life in normal space but whatever.

Might be way off and doesn’t explain the red door or jacks telepathy though…

Gerard · 1 Apr 2023 at 16:12

Stu999 said:
I also thought why wouldn’t Lore beam them all into space when he was interfaced with the Titan, since he hates humanity apparently.

Similarly, surely Data can do something in the same situation? (Granted that might happen next episode.)

Because neither one or the other is in full control of the body at this point it seems like. And with Geordie hammering away talking to data\lore it's making who's in control even more unstable.

I'd be more interested in knowing the reasons behind Vadic's crews look, they're all changelings yet all adopting a weird big hooded coat\mask getup for some reason.

flea.rider · 1 Apr 2023 at 19:33

8 yrs left but at £300 not making a problem

Gerard · 1 Apr 2023 at 21:20

flea.rider said:
8 yrs left but at £300 not making a problem

Wut?

CaptainRAVE · 1 Apr 2023 at 21:34

flea.rider said:
8 yrs left but at £300 not making a problem

I felt the same about the last episode.

Washout · 1 Apr 2023 at 22:02

Just thinking out loud again, have we seen these changlings use a shuttle yet?
Attack Beverly, shuttles. Ro laren, shuttle, boarding titan, shuttle.

Stu999 · 1 Apr 2023 at 22:03

Gerard said:
Wut?

I think it’s to do with what they’re planning for Jack

Electronic Dave · 1 Apr 2023 at 23:53

Gerard said:
I'd be more interested in knowing the reasons behind Vadic's crews look, they're all changelings yet all adopting a weird big hooded coat\mask getup for some reason.

In DS9 The Changelings used the Jem'Hadar as drug addicted soldiers, so I wonder if they are again just a modified/future version in appearance even though they are Changelings themselves :confused:

lsg1r · 2 Apr 2023 at 00:22

Electronic Dave said:
In DS9 The Changelings used the Jem'Hadar as drug addicted soldiers, so I wonder if they are again just a modified/future version in appearance even though they are Changelings themselves

It was kind of explained imo, at least in part. Vadic was converted to the evolved changeling due to a specific chemical with a iirc 100 year half life that section 31 injected, got more abilities for shorter life span and pain.... Vadic can pass this onto other changelings, some of which, if not all, were the green viles at the space station... no idea how many viles or how many times they'd been split etc though. Doesn't explain the look but considering the twisted nature of vadic due to the experiments the 'darker' vibe isn't unexpected

something daft already!! · 2 Apr 2023 at 08:14

The last episode was the worst one yet. Filled with boring exposition, I found it a real chore to get through. I hope this isn't how this series ends.

Gerard · 2 Apr 2023 at 21:01

something daft already!! said:
The last episode was the worst one yet. Filled with boring exposition,

So you'd rather we have ships on screen going "pew pew" for no reason? I found it interesting that the "benevolent and mighty" Federation didn't give the changelings the cure after all. It certainly puts the Federation in a different light and the experimentation coupled with no cure gives the changelings a valid reason for their actions rather than just being butthurt over losing.

Meddling-Monk · 2 Apr 2023 at 21:15

Gerard said:
I found it interesting that the "benevolent and mighty" Federation didn't give the changelings the cure after all. It certainly puts the Federation in a different light and the experimentation coupled with no cure gives the changelings a valid reason for their actions rather than just being butthurt over losing.

Might just be me, but I thought that what they revealed was that the cure was delivered, but the development was from the torturing of Vadic and the ones that were captured. And it was this method of developing the plague on the Changelings that bothered Picard so.

Uncle Petey · 2 Apr 2023 at 21:20

Yeah, we already knew the Federation were against the cure in DS9, before Bashir and O'Brian had the mind trip in Sloane's head and got the cure anyway.
The only new thing we've learned here is the torture/experiments on changelings.

Gerard · 2 Apr 2023 at 21:32

Meddling-Monk said:
Might just be me, but I thought that what they revealed was that the cure was delivered, but the development was from the torturing of Vadic and the ones that were captured. And it was this method of developing the plague on the Changelings that bothered Picard so.

The cure wasn't given to the changelings, that's when Picard says "we gave your people a cure" and vadic says "is that the tale of your history books? You created a cure yes, but Starfleet voted not to give it to us, one of our own had to steal it". Its the combination of that and the torture story that seems to upset Picard.

CaptainRAVE · 2 Apr 2023 at 21:37

10/10 season for me.

Loved seeing Picard conflicted having given his life to an organisation that isn’t as perfect as he’d like to believe.

Meddling-Monk · 2 Apr 2023 at 21:55

Gerard said:
The cure wasn't given to the changelings, that's when Picard says "we gave your people a cure" and vadic says "is that the tale of your history books? You created a cure yes, but Starfleet voted not to give it to us, one of our own had to steal it". Its the combination of that and the torture story that seems to upset Picard.

I remember hearing that in the episode, but that would directly conflict with what was shown at the end of DS9. So Vadic saying "is that what you really think happened" is going to be put down as deception in my books, I'd put it more to them not telling the whole truth first, or that the "other" who they are in contact with, might actually be the real ones who is distorting history and fed Vadic what they wanted to know so they be their pawn. But that's because of us as viewers who watched the end of DS9. However, even if I was a crew there with Picard, the first thing I'd note is that, given that Vadic can lie just as much or as easily as anyone else, whilst some may say there is no reason to lie about that, there is also no reason for them not to be lying either. So I'd treat their words as suspect or something to check up on later on before I start assigning any type of guilt.