Star Trek: Picard

Penfold101 said:
After watching back two of my favourite ever Star Trek scenes, I've decided that the biggest issue these days is the total use of CGI, and there's something about the models that just makes them look so much better and realistic, along with the much slower movements that expect from a massive starship, and not the trench-run style aerobatics you see in the episode 10. The same applies to the Millennium Falcon in The Force Awakens, doing backflips and handbrake turns...
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Technically speaking there's nothing in space to stop the enterprise doing the moves from episode 10 with the right thrusters etc, it's not like it's affected by gravity in space... we'll just ignore the 'minor' detail of the massive gas giant and the borg cube generating it's own gravity etc lol. It does feel a little out of place when you consider how it's usually flown though.... but this is the new data having fun lol

I noticed the ships felt off too...I was like was that on the original model in a few places too, they were but they were a lot 'softer' and the material choices were more metallic than the tv series.

Basically the cgi team made the ship with too much detail, everything was too crisp because it was probably modelled to accurate measurements where as the physical models were scaled down and restricted by the tools and materials etc giving them that overall softer feel.

With the size of the ship and the distance you'd need to see it from your brain is also likely expecting the softer looking ship so it's making it feel 'weird'
 
one thing to Point out, out side of the 4 on the bridge, the Enterprise had no crew for Data to worry about, he could pull hard turns without caring that half the crew would be seriously hurt from slamming into walls and such
 
Excellent series, I thought nostalgia wasn't as good as it used to be, but this was good nostalgia.

Basically they had two options kill off some of the main names, or end up ultimately with a happy-ever-after prologue, and the first would not have gone down well, so it was really always going to be the second.

Kinda sad of course that, as in all things, this generation that had been the mainstay in moving the star trek story forward for over 30 years has come to and end. It is virtually certain that we won't see these folks go of on an adventure, saving the world, and whilst doing so rekindling the on-screen camaraderie and fondness that many of us grew up with, and so it feels like a mini-bereavement. Hopefully 30 years from now we will care similarly and have the same fondness for whoever the baton has been passed onto. And many of us won't be here for that, so actually it'll be a next generation of fans who will see *OUR* next generation in the same light as we see Kirk et al.

And that's the enduring nature of Star Trek.
 
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tangey said:
Excellent series, I thought nostalgia wasn't as good as it used to be, but this was good nostalgia.

Basically they had two options kill off some of the main names, or end up ultimately with a happy-ever-after prologue, and the first would not have gone down well, so it was really always going to be the second.

Kinda sad of course that, as in all things, this generation that had been the mainstay in moving the star trek story forward for over 30 years has come to and end. It is virtually certain that we won't see these folks go of on an adventure, saving the world, and whilst doing so rekindling the on-screen camaraderie and fondness that many of us grew up with, and so it feels like a mini-bereavement. Hopefully 30 years from now we will care similarly and have the same fondness for whoever the baton has been passed onto. And many of us won't be here for that, so actually it'll be a next generation of fans who will see *OUR* next generation in the same light as we see Kirk et al.

And that's the enduring nature of Star Trek.
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I can see the adventure continuing in the form of cgi that is almost life like with the aid of ai in the future. The price of making something good using ai will likely be cheap too in 20 years time.
 
It should be utterly put to bed now, for another 15-20 years like we should do with Dr Who let it fall out of public consciousness.

95% of the spin off reboots are just trash, they have an idea for 1-2 episodes then it just gets bad very quickly. (my brain still cant remove that horrible turbo lift episode for discovery..... willy wonka in space)
 
Discovery was great for a while. Lorca etc, but turned into a dumpster very quickly.

Lower Decks is good and really enjoyed SNW too.
 
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TNA said:
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Off-topic for the thread, so I've spoilered it.
Off-topic for this thread but basically, you'll have no idea what is manufactured, what is a real experience, and the question will be whether there actually is a difference between those two things any more. The AI we are seeing now is just an infant. The robotic stuff that we are seeing from boston dynamics is in its infancy, marry those together and given it 10-15 years and who knows where we will be. I suggest not a good place. I don't like Musk, but he was very perceptive when he said some years ago that in a short time in the future those boston dynamic robots will be moving so fast you'll need a strobe light to see the movement.

I'm just glad I will miss the "worst" of it. Kinda like I was just a little too old to miss the whole drug scene for which I am glad.

In terms of AI in entertainment, I don't think I'm ready for my actors to actually just be a multitude of decisions and inflexions and movements driven by computer. A Picard and riker who's entire performance is generated by a computer ?...not for me. Which is not to say it can't be brilliant for the next generation of viewers who are in no way invested in the real humans.
 
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I thought it was ok, a decent nostalgia fest. Pity some of the bits was convoluted and didnt make much sense.

I didnt like the Titan being renamed to Enterprise. The ship was big and bulky, and personally, i thought it was a bit of a step back in design from the modern look of the E/F, much like the B was after the A.
I also wonder how the diplomacy of other races would have fared considering that i am sure thousands if not millions of different races citizens would have been killed by Star Fleet juniors that were infected by the borg.
Oh and also i am pretty sure that other races do not use the same transporter technology and one of them would have spotted an anomaly.
Ah well, its over.. I am not really sure if i want to see a new series with Seven and the Starfleet young uns.. Maybe if they were fired across the Galaxies like Voyager.. :D
 
tangey said:
Off-topic for the thread, so I've spoilered it.
Off-topic for this thread but basically, you'll have no idea what is manufactured, what is a real experience, and the question will be whether there actually is a difference between those two things any more. The AI we are seeing now is just an infant. The robotic stuff that we are seeing from boston dynamics is in its infancy, marry those together and given it 10-15 years and who knows where we will be. I suggest not a good place. I don't like Musk, but he was very perceptive when he said some years ago that in a short time in the future those boston dynamic robots will be moving so fast you'll need a strobe light to see the movement.

I'm just glad I will miss the "worst" of it. Kinda like I was just a little too old to miss the whole drug scene for which I am glad.

In terms of AI in entertainment, I don't think I'm ready for my actors to actually just be a multitude of decisions and inflexions and movements driven by computer. A Picard and riker who's entire performance is generated by a computer ?...not for me. Which is not to say it can't be brilliant for the next generation of viewers who are in no way invested in the real humans.
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Fair enough. I guess one always has an option though. Don't watch it :)

That's why these days I find myself watching a hell of a lot less TV and hardly go cinema. Even on the odd occasion I go I am disappointed like I was with Avatar 2. I think I go once every two years now on avarage and that started way before covid.
 
Trig said:
Line of sight...

Really?!
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I'm normally extremely sceptical when people talk about the "science was rubbish", it is a science-FICTION series after all, but even I thought the line-of-sight was a bit crap, what the hell are they using, infrared LEDs from a remote ?
 
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Especially given where the transmitter assembly was, they could have just parked the Enterprise close enough to block the signal, as for the Titans work around, not sure how that would have worked, and how the enemy didn't know you could just reprogram a torpedo to look for tailpipe...

A lot of it was lazy from a technobabble POV..
 
I mostly enjoyed the final episode with the rescue being the worst part of it

love conquers all, you're not alone, etc, quick chat, cuddle, all good, GTFO

You're telling me in all the worlds the borg ever conquered, no one had a stronger will than a father who knew his son for 5 minutes

I know i'm hugely simplifying it, it was just a poor culmination of the seasons villain.

The rest of it was great.
 
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