Star Trek: Picard
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But isn't Picard set after TNG/Nemesis? So it doesn't make sense that we've evolved so far and then now we're back to swearing (and smoking). Picard would have made more sense if it had been set before TNG.
Let's be fair, it's not like picard improved past the first two episodes. It only got worse
Star Trek used to be a bit of an escapism for a lot of fans, something to look up to. you know, a vision of a better future etc. Picard, and Discovery too, just undoes soo much of that. I think they want to make the characters more 'relatable' but really ended up just making them more boring. IMO, anyway.
Yes! That's what Star Trek was about. A vision of the future where we had learned to overcome our past negativities. But with swearing being introduced it feels like its devolved. Most agendas by the left/right died off by TNG.
If people enjoyed the series then good on you. I'm just saying its not my cuppa tea as its not how I remember Star Trek.
Well obviously. But as easily as they can hire a ****** show runner to ruin things, I can choose to ignore it. Not hard is it.
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Star Trek could vary what it was about from week to week, series to series, film to film.
It could be political drama (much of DS9, particularly early on with Bajor). It could be a murder mystery (DS9's "A Man Alone"). It could be a piece on communication (TNG's "Darmok"). It could be submarine warfare ("Balance of Terror" from TOS, "Starship Down" from DS9). It could be a comedy (TOS: "The Trouble With Tribbles"). It could be an anti-war statement (TOS: "A Taste of Armageddon"). It could be a courtroom drama (TOS: "Court Martial", TNG: "The Drumhead"). It could be a time travel piece (TOS: "City on the Edge of Forever", TNG: "Time's Arrow", DS9: "Past Tense" and "Little Green Men"). It could be a costume piece (TOS: "A Piece of the Action", TNG's "Qpid"). It could be farce (DS9's "Profit and Lace" intentionally, TOS's "Spock's Brain" less so).
More broadly speaking...
TOS was fistfights and ray guns and revealing outfits that kept the censors occupied so that Gene could sneak the odd liberal thought onto television screens. TNG ran the gamut of ideas and ideals over the years that it was on. DS9 looked at what happens when you're deep into space, well away from the comfortable and safe bits of the Federation, at a world that is rebuilding after a brutal occupation and is suddenly thrust into galactic prominence by a wibbly-wobbly space phenomenon that gives it strategic importance. Voyager could have been an interesting look at how the high-and-mighty Starfleet ideals are tested when you're 70,000 light years from home and a good portion of your crew used to be terrorists/freedom fighters (and I'm sure would be that, if it was made today) but basically became TNG2. Enterprise could have been an interesting look at a wild, untamed galaxy with humans making their first tentative steps out Where No One Has Gone Before...but got mired in a sea of bad executive decisions (the temporal war arc), bimbled around being TNG2.5 when it wasn't doing the temporal war thing, before sort-of getting its act together right before it got cancelled.
STP's first season has been about several things. It's about life and death. It's about how fear makes people (and indeed whole governments) do bad things. It's about people (Picard, Raffi, Rios) deciding that it's time to stop hiding away brooding over past failures and to get back out and make a difference again.
And really, the whole arc of the season boils down to Picard getting to say a proper goodbye to Data. Everything else is either mere window dressing, or world building for the series to go on - the Search For Soji, the Romulan machinations, the stop off with the Rikers, even seemingly fundamental stuff like 'what exactly was the weird mechanical thing that was going to come and destroy all organic life until Picard persuaded Soji that fear was the destroyer?'. All of which is swept away at the end to have a spot of philosophical musing on the nature of 'life' as opposed to mere 'existence'.
And really, the whole arc of the season boils down to Picard getting to say a proper goodbye to Data. Everything else is either mere window dressing, or world building for the series to go on - the Search For Soji, the Romulan machinations, the stop off with the Rikers, even seemingly fundamental stuff like 'what exactly was the weird mechanical thing that was going to come and destroy all organic life until Picard persuaded Soji that fear was the destroyer?'. All of which is swept away at the end to have a spot of philosophical musing on the nature of 'life' as opposed to mere 'existence'.
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Loved Picard, but then I liked Discovery also but maybe the key difference was I just binged the entire lot in one go that way it was much easier to digest.
Both shows have their flaws, but I agree with a previous afterthought mentioned few pages back this was about giving data the right send off he deserved.
And perhaps a classic trek series would not have worked here it's been redone at least several times over by each series over the past 50 years so everyone would have just complained or got bored again, it's a radical new approach to make trek feasible whereas it probably was just dead after ST:beyond film.
It's a rarity we even get to see another tv series, tv>big screen>tv or actors aged 60-70+ even come back to reprise their roles, so props to them and well done I will look forward to season 2.
Both shows have their flaws, but I agree with a previous afterthought mentioned few pages back this was about giving data the right send off he deserved.
And perhaps a classic trek series would not have worked here it's been redone at least several times over by each series over the past 50 years so everyone would have just complained or got bored again, it's a radical new approach to make trek feasible whereas it probably was just dead after ST:beyond film.
It's a rarity we even get to see another tv series, tv>big screen>tv or actors aged 60-70+ even come back to reprise their roles, so props to them and well done I will look forward to season 2.
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Just watched the 1st episode, a lot to take in !
I did enjoy it
Just watched the 1st episode, a lot to take in !
I did enjoy it
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The first episode was really good. Unfortunately it goes downhill after that....and keeps getting worse and worse, and worse!
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I'm more of a passing fan rather than an actual trekkie but I've always enjoyed the newer Star Trek stories from TNG, DS9, some Voyager (so-so) and, surprisingly considering how badly it got rated, Enterprise too.
I tried to watch Picard but this version of the Picard character doesn't seem to act/behave like the original TNG version of Picard, and it's similar for some of the other cast who came back for this show. So while it was great to see people like Riker, Data and 7/9 alongside Picard everything just felt "off" with their characters (Riker/Deanna being the closest to their original characters I'd say). Maybe the reason is just due to people changing as time passes but that disconnect never made me think "yeap, thats Picard alright" in their scenes.
I stopped watching after Ep4 when it became more clear that the story-arc seemed to have very little to do with Picard as such as he was just a passenger in other peoples stories.
I tried to watch Picard but this version of the Picard character doesn't seem to act/behave like the original TNG version of Picard, and it's similar for some of the other cast who came back for this show. So while it was great to see people like Riker, Data and 7/9 alongside Picard everything just felt "off" with their characters (Riker/Deanna being the closest to their original characters I'd say). Maybe the reason is just due to people changing as time passes but that disconnect never made me think "yeap, thats Picard alright" in their scenes.
I stopped watching after Ep4 when it became more clear that the story-arc seemed to have very little to do with Picard as such as he was just a passenger in other peoples stories.
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He watched nearly 4 hours of it, JRS. That's enough time to form an opinion.
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He doesn't need to know if he's decided he doesn't like it. It's not like the second half of the season was any better - it was worse.
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"I didn't actually watch the show but here's why it was crap."
God I love fandumb
Didn't actually say it's crap, just gave the reason why I stopped watching which was lack of Picard as "the" main character and the characters feeling different than TNG.
God I love fandumbpeoplewhodon'treadwhatIwroteandmakestuffuptomakeafakepointwhichmakestheir"epeen"grow.
I also checked back and it was Ep8 I stopped watching, the 7/9 episode, I just thought it was much sooner than 8 episodes.
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Except he didn't watch the half hour or so explaining that the whole God damned thing is purely about saying a proper goodbye to Data!
There's some window-dressing, sure. And they tidied another couple of threads while they were at it (Picard's degenerative disease, the nonsense left over from the setting up of the JJTrek universe, etc). But the series isn't really about them - it's about Data wanting to actually live, by dying.
Goes to show how bad it was if that was it’s main goal. So much waffle and rubbish in between. **** poor execution.
I am still cringing at “JL” here
Really hope they get rid of all that crap for next season. Hopefully the new showrunner is good, as the last guy was proper crap imo.