Star Trek: Picard

JRS · 12 Jul 2020 at 18:17

TheOracle said:
You know I might rewatch the original series and then the movies

Watch TOS as the remastered version if you're going to be taken out of it all by the original effects (some of which are shonky, I'll grant you). And BluRay versions for the films, except the Motion Picture - watch TMP as the DVD Directors Cut because that has the better cut, effects and sound mix. The theatrical version isn't called the Slow-Motion Picture for nothing!

james.miller · 12 Jul 2020 at 18:27

JRS said:
Not gonna let that one slide. "Chain of Command" is a wonderful TNG two-parter, with incredible performances from both the regular cast and the guests (David Warner, Ronny Cox). Anyone poking fun at the "there are four lights!" scene is a) missing the point of the episode and b) wouldn't know good television if it jumped out of the screen and bit them square on the nose

lol, right. It's terrible acting whether you like the episode or not. What's the difference between that and Stewart's terrible French 'disguise' in STP? Answer: Chain of command was actually a great episode of star trek ....

I think, comparatively, Stewart's 'the line must be drawn here' scene in First Contact was (although still a little hammy) much more believable. For me, anyway. Overly crap acting can kill a scene for me. YMMV ....

JRS · 12 Jul 2020 at 19:06

james.miller said:
lol, right. It's terrible acting whether you like the episode or not.

It's not really possible to put into words just how wrong I think you are here. But, not for the first time that I find myself utterly disagreeing with someone on here so let us agree to disagree

james.miller · 12 Jul 2020 at 19:11

lol, and you think because somebody doesnt like the acting in one scene that somehow they must not understand the episode and doesn't know good TV...... Sorry if i don't take anything you say as gospel JRS, i learned not to do that years ago

Gerard · 12 Jul 2020 at 19:22

Never really rated Avery Brooks as a good actor in DS9, he always had that annoying speech pattern where he would go into little loud and quiet bursts of speech when he was doing one of his little speeches.

james.miller · 12 Jul 2020 at 19:36

Gerard said:
Never really rated Avery Brooks as a good actor in DS9, he always had that annoying speech pattern where he would go into little loud and quiet bursts of speech when he was doing one of his little speeches.

I know right? awful.

JRS · 12 Jul 2020 at 19:41

james.miller said:
lol, and you think because somebody doesnt like the acting in one scene that somehow they must not understand the episode and doesn't know good TV...... Sorry if i don't take anything you say as gospel JRS, i learned not to do that years ago

Please feel free to stick me on your ignore list if you find me that objectionable

Gerard said:
Never really rated Avery Brooks as a good actor in DS9, he always had that annoying speech pattern where he would go into little loud and quiet bursts of speech when he was doing one of his little speeches.

That speech pattern is very theatrical, and some of the time in DS9 it made a lot of sense for Sisko to sound like that. Best example I can think of right now is in the "Homefront"/"Paradise Lost" two-parter where he briefly tears into Nog to get him to give up the name of a Red Squad cadet - the way he did it gave the speech a good dose of menace. Didn't always work, I'll grant you - it bothers me a lot in his final showdown with Dukat in the last episode ("What You Leave Behind"), which is pretty unfortunate when the entire series hangs on that confrontation!

james.miller · 12 Jul 2020 at 19:53

JRS said:
Please feel free to stick me on your ignore list if you find me that objectionable

aww don't be upset. It's only William ******* Shatner (Yeah I know you get the reference, JRS). Look, I don't block other members - I'd just end up creating my own echo chamber like certain other members on these forums do. Besides, I like a good laugh

JRS · 12 Jul 2020 at 20:34

james.miller said:
aww don't be upset.

Hey, I'm not the one who was grousing about people 'trying to be clever' over a lighthearted jab

james.miller · 12 Jul 2020 at 20:54

JRS said:
Hey, I'm not the one who was grousing about people 'trying to be clever' over a lighthearted jab

I really don't know why you brought up that post. It was you doing the 'grousing' and that's exactly why i said what i said back in March...in a different thread...on a different subject. What is your reason for bringing that up again? I'm totally serious about what i said - there is nobody more negative than you when it comes to star trek in these threads. And back in March, when you tried to insinuate that i was just as negative about Doctor Who, i completely destroyed that argument. So again, why bring that up? Why post an example of you grousing, and claim it wasn't you grousing? Very strange.

So yes, well done on that eggface, i guess. What will you bring up next? you moaning about the new enterprise in your Star Trek :XI thread from 2008? because that would prove your point just as badly.

TNA · 12 Jul 2020 at 21:18

Lol @james.miller nice sig mate

Funny the eye liner on Kirk

JRS · 12 Jul 2020 at 21:26

@james.miller - y'see, now I'm kinda fascinated by how weirdly hard you appeared to take that poke in the Doctor Who thread. Makes me wonder what previous interaction we had that caused this. If I really did insult you sometime in the past I can only apologise

james.miller · 12 Jul 2020 at 21:27

TNA said:
Lol @james.miller nice sig mate

Funny the eye liner on Kirk

Lol, i know. I wonder why they did stuff like that back then? to make it look better on TV maybe?

I mean, it's just ridiculous

TNA · 12 Jul 2020 at 22:31

james.miller said:
Lol, i know. I wonder why they did stuff like that back then? to make it look better on TV maybe?

I mean, it's just ridiculous

Yea, maybe they thought males would use make up in the future. Well they somewhat got that right, as some do

Gerard · 12 Jul 2020 at 23:11

james.miller said:
Lol, i know. I wonder why they did stuff like that back then? to make it look better on TV maybe?

I mean, it's just ridiculous

Not to mention the usual standard close up view of the face with darkness at the top and bottom of the screen.

Bigpig · 1 Aug 2020 at 06:56

Anyone watch the comic con panel?
I feel Star trek is dead. They are not correcting course at all but instead doubling down on their own political beliefs.

They basically confirmed that the shows will be used as a platform and should be used as a platform.

JRS · 1 Aug 2020 at 07:38

Bigpig said:
Anyone watch the comic con panel?
I feel Star trek is dead. They are not correcting course at all but instead doubling down on their own political beliefs.

They basically confirmed that the shows will be used as a platform and should be used as a platform.

It has always been a platform. Right from the days of TOS and Gene using fistfights, rayguns and incredibly short skirts to disguise the liberal humanist thoughts he was getting onto TV screens - anti-war messages ("A Taste of Armageddon"), anti-racism messages ("Let That Be Your Last Battlefield"), musings on the replacement of man by machines ("The Ultimate Computer"), finding common ground with an enemy ("Day of the Dove"), anti-slavery messages ("The Gamesters of Triskelion")...

Which message in STP is it that you object to?

TNA · 1 Aug 2020 at 08:20

JRS said:
Which message in STP is it that you object to?

All of them

Bigpig · 1 Aug 2020 at 08:27

JRS said:
It has always been a platform. Right from the days of TOS and Gene using fistfights, rayguns and incredibly short skirts to disguise the liberal humanist thoughts he was getting onto TV screens - anti-war messages ("A Taste of Armageddon"), anti-racism messages ("Let That Be Your Last Battlefield"), musings on the replacement of man by machines ("The Ultimate Computer"), finding common ground with an enemy ("Day of the Dove"), anti-slavery messages ("The Gamesters of Triskelion")...

Which message in STP is it that you object to?

That is true but they seem to do it a whole lot better with a view from both sides.

Maybe it is just the writing.

Just shows like glow and doom patrol can do it a whole lot better which both I love.

PlacidCasual · 1 Aug 2020 at 08:35

JRS said:
It has always been a platform. Right from the days of TOS and Gene using fistfights, rayguns and incredibly short skirts to disguise the liberal humanist thoughts he was getting onto TV screens - anti-war messages ("A Taste of Armageddon"), anti-racism messages ("Let That Be Your Last Battlefield"), musings on the replacement of man by machines ("The Ultimate Computer"), finding common ground with an enemy ("Day of the Dove"), anti-slavery messages ("The Gamesters of Triskelion")...

Which message in STP is it that you object to?

I absolutely agree they were defintiely platforms but I don't remember watching them as a kid in the 80's and thinking someone was trying to pour their political beliefs down my throat. Also they were presented as a reflection of politics in often good sci-fi form. Modern Trek TV seems a lot more judgemental with it's politics in that regard. It doesn't show that we have move beyond these things and the future is better, apparently we're still struggling with early 21st problems and hiding how horrible we are.