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Star Trek: Picard

Discussion in 'Music, Box Office, TV & Books' started by TheOracle, May 17, 2019.

  1. Trig

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    I don't have a problem with a "message" as long as its not clearly all the episode is about, where characters and everything just points at that "message" rather than actual things the characters would do or say as part of their established character and its all about pushing the "message" in an obvious, out of place unnatural way..
     
  2. Allnamestaken

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    This show is just utter trash, the whole season felt like a glorified quest to pick up your team mates in a game lmao.

    It was just **** poor and the acting was horrific.
     
  3. jonneymendoza

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    it was amazing. better than many trash tv series .

    One of the best and better than the captain kirk reboot. that was shockingly bad
     
  4. JRS

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    I think if everyone is at least vaguely honest, the show lands between either of these viewpoints:

    It wasn't actually perfect. It wasn't actually trash. It was a season of television that needed a few ounces more thought regarding tone, execution and plotting.

    I was pondering on this last night with some mates over WhatsApp, and we reckoned that the 4th film was what they probably should have tried to emulate. Not the comedic tone of that film necessarily, but that there wasn't really a bad guy in it (beyond humanity as a whole for allowing humpback whales to be hunted to extinction). Trek has proved pretty much since Star Trek: First Contact that bad guys are hard to write well - the Son'a in Insurrection didn't really work, Shinzon was a whiny little *****, Nero was pretty underbaked, NotQuiteKhan and Edison a criminal waste of their respective actors (Benedict Cumberbatch and Idris Elba) and the less said the better about every bad guy in STD so far.

    A Picard series without a defined bad guy character could have been really good. Let's say the Hobus supernova happens (it has to anyway to set up the JJTrek 'verse), the rescue mission fails due to sabotage by the Zhat Vash, the Romulan empire gets decimated. Starfleet knows that the Zhat Vash did it but can't prove that to the Federation because [reasons]. What's left of the Romulan culture is bitter at Federation reliance on synthetics, feeling that this is what doomed them. Other races in the Federation feel the same way. The Vulcans take in the remaining Romulans and announce their secession from the Federation if synthetics aren't at least temporarily banned. The Federation bows to the pressure.

    Synthetics are shut down but some turn out to be more advanced, go on the run and are hunted - the Federation has the Fenris Rangers do the job as they want to keep Starfleet's hands clean. One of these advanced synthetics is Soji, who goes to a retired, ailing and deeply bored Picard for help, revealing her connection to Data. Picard assembles his off-the-books crew who all have links to the incident (told in flashback) and are invested in finding out what happened. After a series of adventures, including one where Seven (who has been pursuing them) has a change of heart brought on by a Picard Speechâ„¢, they find the planet where Maddox created Soji and her ilk. Data's consciousness is there along with the proof regarding the Zhat Vash interference. Picard gets his goodbye with Data, takes the evidence and presents it to the Federation Council, synthetics get to live and the Federation comes out stronger. The strain of the adventures accelerates Picard's decline but a cure is found within the synthetic brain of Soji-type androids.

    Maybe I'll write it as fanfic one day :D
     
  5. TheOracle

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    +1 It really was terrible
     
  6. james.miller

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    lol.

     
  7. Blackjack Davy

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    I think part of the problem is its obviously low budget by modern standards, that and the throwing in of too many unnecessary characters elf boy for one, but I think I read its been green lighted for a season two and apart from the first all trek franchises the initial season is the poorest, guess the real question is how long Patrick Stewart can hold up he's looking rather frail these days.
     
  8. OspreyO

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    I felt the last couple of episodes were a rush to wrap it up in case there was no 2nd series. I thought it was ok other than that.

    I think it would have better without Picard the plot struggled to keep him relevant.
     
  9. 413x

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    It was so bad

    I got to the 7 of 9 episode.. Obviously.. But couldn't take anymore

    Off out didn't have the trek name I'd have lasted 2 episodes

    Trash.
     
  10. OspreyO

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    Previously they were general principles no? A utopia of sorts. This series felt it was more of straight copy of current trending social media issues.

    Was watching Back to the Future and one Jarring moment was the simulacrum of Reagan and Iranian Leader insisting McFly try the hostage special. It's just too much politics shoved down your throat.
     
  11. JRS

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    You're not going to tell me that, for instance, anti-war thoughts weren't straight up what was being debated in American society during the original run of TOS :p I mean, there was this minor fracas going on at the time in Vietnam, perhaps you've heard about it?

    Like I said in another thread:

     
  12. OspreyO

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    Tbh I've never watched much of the original series. Never liked it. But anti war themes are a common trope in ScFi and fantasy genres. How many have a theme of future society having eliminated all these things.

    Also when I watched it 70s-80s there was always a war going on, arms race, fear of nuclear war, that's the context for me.

    So you are right it that it referencing the conflicts of it's time. But I just think it was more generic than Picard. Maybe I'm wrong.

    I enjoyed Picard, but the whole media stuff for me was just background noise to the main plot. I thought the whole thing was lightweight and not the greatest writing either. But I wasn't getting hung up in it.
     
  13. JRS

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    While I'm warming to the topic - what was the sixth movie about if it wasn't a combination of Chernobyl and the fall of the Berlin Wall? Absolutely nothing generic about it, the explosion of Praxis ("their key energy production facility" as Sulu noted) was a direct analogue to the Chernobyl power plant going critical, and they even named the Klingon leader Gorkon as a reference to Gorbachev! Gorkon's assassination was a reference to Anwar Sadat (third president of Egypt until he was killed by fundamentalist army officers).

    You may not agree with the topics and thoughts that the writers are drawing inspiration from this time, but don't try and claim that it's anything new because it's been happening in Trek right from the original series :)
     
  14. OspreyO

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    Maybe you you list each movie and series and the current events its directly referencing.

    If you're warming to it... ;)
     
  15. JRS

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    And bore everyone on here more than I already do?

    Don't tempt me :p

    ***edit***

    4th movie is all about the environmental movement ;)
     
  16. something daft already!!

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    I happen to notice the bowel movement which they have called "Lower Decks" is now available to watch. 2.3 on IMDB which is probably generous.
     
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  17. OspreyO

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    Well its a discussion forum, anyone bored doesn't have to read it.

    I'd be curious is there always some social commentary on current issues.
    Or is it just these are just common themes in all movies and series.

    Even the AI aspects, were very general. They could have brought in about voting, and bots, and people out of work due to AI etc.
     
  18. OspreyO

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    Getting terrible reviews. I liked the idea. Trailer reminded me too much of Final Space lite though.