Star Trek : Strange New Worlds

ebilcake said:
You mean the real world? I'm not the one in denial about the effect of intersectionality and critical race theory on Hollywood and the western world in general. Why are so many Hollywood movies flops now? I know exactly why, but you're in the dark for some reason...
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It's the big budget movies just being full of cgi and not being real and grounded in any way. Nothing to do with race or sexulality. That's just small minded people that think that.

Anyway. Another great enjoyable episode. Obviously it was the first to be filmed when Anson was on Paternity leave.
 
JRS said:
01/05/2023
Over-saturation of the genres they're trying to squeeze into, too many remakes, too many sequels, wildly inflated budgets that are next to impossible to make back and when they do make money the studio lies that they haven't in order to get tax breaks. Next question? ;)
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Ahh, ignoring the elephant in the room. It can't possibly have anything to do with the other thing.....

These issues you highlighted are because they're no longer focusing on just making good movies anymore, their focus is elsewhere...
 
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ebilcake said:
Ahh, ignoring the elephant in the room. It can't possibly have anything to do with the other thing.....
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I'm not ignoring anything. But I am a bit bored of folks wanging on about critical race theory and wokeness and too few straight white male characters and the LGBTQWTFBBQLOL+-×÷ agenda!!!111oneonetwothree, especially in regards to nuTrek.

Disco, for example, has deep-rooted problems. The least note-worthy of those problems could be said to relate in any way to 'wokeness'. The bigger issues are the complexity addiction of the writers, their inability to not telegraph plot twists, the lack of character development for anyone who isn't Burnham or (to an extent) Saru, the obsessive need for the stakes to be universe-altering, the crap villains, the truly horrendous aesthetic and the small matter of the show's lead not being able to act.

And what does fandumb focus on? The doctor and the engineer are in a gay relationship, another character prefers them/they as pronouns and there aren't many white men on the bridge.

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ebilcake said:
These issues you highlighted are because they're no longer focusing on just making good movies anymore, their focus is elsewhere...
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Show me on the doll where Hollywood hurt you ;)

Mind, if the hurt is '2016 Ghostbusters abomination' shaped then I'll have more than a bit of sympathy because that movie sucked...
 
JRS said:
I'm not ignoring anything. But I am a bit bored of folks wanging on about critical race theory and wokeness and too few straight white male characters and the LGBTQWTFBBQLOL+-×÷ agenda!!!111oneonetwothree, especially in regards to nuTrek.

Disco, for example, has deep-rooted problems. The least note-worthy of those problems could be said to relate in any way to 'wokeness'. The bigger issues are the complexity addiction of the writers, their inability to not telegraph plot twists, the lack of character development for anyone who isn't Burnham or (to an extent) Saru, the obsessive need for the stakes to be universe-altering, the crap villains, the truly horrendous aesthetic and the small matter of the show's lead not being able to act.

And what does fandumb focus on? The doctor and the engineer are in a gay relationship, another character prefers them/they as pronouns and there aren't many white men on the bridge.

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Show me on the doll where Hollywood hurt you ;)

Mind, if the hurt is '2016 Ghostbusters abomination' shaped then I'll have more than a bit of sympathy because that movie sucked...
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And that had nothing to do with female leads and all men being dumb. It was terrible writing and directing as well as crap acting.

Most flop movies are due to too much cgi nonsense and bad scripts. Bring back the days of real action and stunts. Not just green screen stunts. Every Marvel and DC movie now has to end in a light show and big cg battle which is what people are fed up with.
 
More episode musings.

  • Sooooooo...Pike learns about Romulans looking like Vulcans on his trip to the alternate future in the S1 finale, and there's no indication that he forgot the details of what happened during that episode. And now La'an has seen a picture of a Romulan Bird of Prey, and she obviously remembers the whole of her trip back in time because she was mourning the loss of alternateKirk at the end. Now, yes, temporal directives and such, can't disrupt the timeline any more than it's already disrupted by widely broadcasting information before you should have it. But you'd have hoped some of this knowledge might at least have been passed to Starfleet Intelligence, who can brief a select few officers...like, say, the captains of the Constitution class starships of the 2260s. So at least those starship captains like Kirk aren't going in completely blind when they face off with Romulans just 6-7 years later.
  • Talking of La'an mourning alternateKirk...that's gonna make for an awkward meeting whenever he shows up again. Presumably why she's nowhere near the Enterprise once he takes command, be a bit tricky having a Chief of Security who wants you to Boldy Go to bed with her ;)
  • Christina Chong accomplished the almost impossible with this episode. Which means that, on reflecting, I'm done now putting the ':rolleyes:' after La'an Noonien Singh. Her acting was that good this time out. Yeah, the character makes for a huge plot hole with "Space Seed". But I'm (mostly) over it.
  • Am I alone in thinking that Kirk probably ought to be slightly higher in rank than Lieutenant at this point (2260)? He's going to be a Captain in 4 years, 5 at the absolute most. Either his rise through the ranks is about to go into overdrive or he really should be a Lt Commander by now.
 
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Enjoyed this episode, but 3 episodes in and we have seen nothing of Pike :(

Jim Kirk isn't the best actor, but he was good this week, aside from the revolving door - yawn.

And she left a loaded pistol in the room with the kid - was that meant to mean something or just an oversight?

But timey wimey is always a winner with me :)
 
ivrytwr3 said:
Enjoyed this episode, but 3 episodes in and we have seen nothing of Pike :(

Jim Kirk isn't the best actor, but he was good this week, aside from the revolving door - yawn.

And she left a loaded pistol in the room with the kid - was that meant to mean something or just an oversight?

But timey wimey is always a winner with me :)
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Anson was on paternity leave for the first part of filming which is why he isn't in much of some episodes.
 
steve5424 said:
Anson was on paternity leave for the first part of filming which is why he isn't in much of some episodes.
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Yeah i read that, shame for viewers though as as Pike he is pretty awesome.

On reflection, i don't think the first 3 episodes are on par with the previous season - maybe it's suffering due to lack of Pike.
 
What was the point of this episode? there aren't many episodes in these seasons so the ones they make really need to hit the mark... This was just another forgettable meh episode.
 
something daft already!! said:
The most watchable episode so far but this doesn't say much. The short, old wrinkled shrew is extremely annoying as usual. Most story points were highly contrived. Much of the episode was about nothing. I guess filler while Anson was away.
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I was hoping the old shrew would actually say something to her that only she'd understand. A bit like in the X-men movies when Professor X realises Logan is back and now remembers his time travel.
 
ebilcake said:
So a waste of an hour,. basically. :)
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Depends on where they want to go with her character down the line, no?

If it's all completely orphaned and these events/La'an's feelings about these events are never referenced again then yeah - waste of an episode. If it pays off, and the character grows from this or is changed by it in ways that make sense then great - score a win for nuTrek writers.
 
An epiphany.

Holy **** am I dumb.

It was right there in the episode and I completely missed it.

Or, at least, didn't grasp the full implications. Sera, the time-traveling Romulan, she noted that she'd been stuck on Earth for 30 years trying to disrupt the future and failing because, well, fate refuses to be mocked and the timeline wouldn't go quietly.

La'an is handed a device early on in the episode that not only displaces her in time but also protects her from changes to the timeline from that point. Hence her knowing how things should be. But things in this timeline had potentially already changed long before she was handed the MacGuffin.

So she goes back, stops Sera's latest attempt to change the timeline, killing her in the process. No more changes to the timeline. Except the changes Sera already made will have always occurred in La'an's own timeline. Because they happened 'before' she was given the MacGuffin.

The Eugenics Wars always (from a Strange New Worlds POV) happened later than the 1990s. WW3 probably happened roughly the same time as always, because of the timeline self-healing. But any change from TOS to SNW can now be explained by this one episode. Sera's meddling might not have had the effect that the Romulans really wanted, but it could absolutely have had some effect.

It fixes SNW's changes over TOS. It even fixes some of STD's ****ery.
 
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One minor snarl-up.

In the 'bad' timeline that La'an briefly was in before going back to 2022 with alternateKirk, we see Spock as a Vulcan captain.

But Spock is the offspring of Sarek of Vulcan...and Amanda Grayson, a human. And in this timeline, Earth and Vulcan aren't exactly on friendly terms.

Sooooo...that's weird ;)
 
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