Soldato
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He should have never have taken his mask off till the end
****Star Wars: Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker - Official Thread****
Saw it this Sunday and i have giving myself a day to think about it. I honestlty came out of the film thinking it was just meh and i stand by the statment i have made to a couple of friends that Disney have ruined star wars. I think the film was well made, quick passed and entertaining. Was a good ending for this trilogy, but not a good ending for Star Wars. I didnt come out straight away thinking what a pile of rubbish. But as a Star Wars fan, it was both the best and worse film of the Disney trilogy. I dont want to ruin it for anyone but WTF, they managed to distory the entire Ankin story arch by making his sacifice in return of the Jedi invain and worthless. It seems like the first 30 mins was trying to correct the mess that was the Last Jedi, this then lead to a very fast passed film but by doing this made the film feel like it just jumping around. I could to continue to break it down, but i dont see the need to as their are a lot of people who have already said it. Again i think Disney have ruined Star Wars.
Soldato
Saw it today at IMAX! What a brilliant film...far better than the previous one. What a spectable of sound and visuals. Loved it. 8/10 for me. A great cinema experience. JJ did good.
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I've heard the "Anakin's sacrifice didn't matter!!!" thing quite a bit, but how is that the case exactly? At the end of ROTJ Palpatine was pretty much torturing Luke to death and Anakin saved him. The fact that Palpatine didn't actually die doesn't somehow counteract the fact that Luke was saved, just the fact the the Sith weren't completely defeated
The point was that Vader returned from the dark side in order to save his son, who would not turn as he had. In doing so he killed the Emperor, and finished off the Sith rule of the galaxy. Apparently that action of the bad guy turning back to the light side for the son who would not follow his dark path, that cutting off the head and power that controlled the Empire, was all for no reason, because Palpatine is fine, and is still the power behind Snoke and the New Order.
What is the sad thing is that this action is a confirmation that everything Anakin did after he turned into Vader was wrong. He took a dark path and wasted his life doing evil at the bidding of Palpatine, and now at the end he finally realises what he could have been if he'd had the conviction of Luke and resisted the dark side. Yes, Vader gave his life to save Luke which is his personal redemption, but killing Palpatine and destroying the Empire was Vader's atonement for the life of evil that he led under his Sith master. Take that away, and you've diminished the death of Vader by taking away the balance of him partially undoing all the evil he did while expanding the Empire for Palpatine.
Mind you, props to Palpatine. Dropped into the reactor core of a moon-sized deathstar that then gets blown up, he came out of it pretty well.
Thats why im so so on it being the actual Palpatine from ROTJ. There's one theory doing the rounds that the Palpatine on the planet is actually hundreds of years old, being kept alive artificially (hence him being hooked up to that contraption). Which is why he had a clone created to do his dirty work for him, and that's the Palpatine we see in the original movies. Sort of fits with the cloned Snokes in the tank, though it's all ret conned bs it's at least a bit plausible. Answers the question of how he survived an explosion that took out a planet sized space station, he didn't.
Beat me to it and we’ll said.
I have heard that to, possible yes. But I believe that Lucas himself said the empire died. Don’t quote me on that. Saying that it’s no longer his baby.
Soldato
So was it this "baseline" Palpie or "cloned" Palpie that done nasty nasty to some poor girl around the time of Empire Strikes Back, and she had his daughter (or son, we don't really know) that later on give birth to Rey?
I think it’s easier to go ‘huh he survived somehow’ than try and figure out how the cloning malarkey would work.
I suppose a slightly different explosion in ROTJ would have left it open - meh.
Although he did say “I have been killed many times” or something. Basically he can be resurrected from conventional death, via cloning or otherwise, I guess.
I suppose a slightly different explosion in ROTJ would have left it open - meh.
Although he did say “I have been killed many times” or something. Basically he can be resurrected from conventional death, via cloning or otherwise, I guess.
Yeah, it's a retcon, but when I see that return to the past (pretty ironic given TLJ's attempt to throw away everything in the past), it just strikes me as like when Dr Who runs back to the Daleks, or Trek runs back to the Klingons or the Borg. It's an easy out, when the writers run back to favourite bad guys, instead of being able to come up with anything better.
Sure, JJ Abrams was screwed hard into a corner by Rian Johnson, but he's always stuck to the pattern of reusing old stuff full of mcguffins, breakneck action, spectacular visuals, finished with a big infodump to make it seem like big things have happened. When you stop to think about it, lots of it just doesn't make any sense.
Like the Holdo manoeuvre, suddenly being able to bring people back from the dead at a whim, or suddenly deciding that Palpatine is (and always has been) a host of clones seems to break the feel of the universe. Why aren't there dozens of clones of Vader running around? Is that just a step too far for the fan service?
Caporegime
Well I finally saw it and that is one of the worst plots I've ever seen. I've read erotic fan fiction that makes more sense as a Star Wars story.
Lucas said he was dead but things change with a new owner, he was toying with putting Boba Fett escaping the Sarlacc into one of the re-releases supposedly but the sale went through before that happened.
Soldato
Sigh, JJA can’t tell a story, and it’s infinitely frustrating when the bones of a decent story over 3 chapters were visible, but ultimately failed at any telling it with any sort of consistency because that’s what happens when you keep chopping and changing who’s in charge.
Soldato
Never mind.
Caporegime
This cannot be true as Palpatine took his form after fighting Windu. He was a real person when he was senator and not a clone.
Soldato
It just highlights that this trash was not written by someone who knows or understands the lore, he just had bullet points. JJ didn't understand Star Trek and created universe breaking plot holes, he doesn't understand Star Wars and piled up enough lore breaking plot holes to break this universe too. It's now a Mar-Vel-ous world where no one dies (unless they chose to blanket-vanish), no one gets injured, characters can live forever though some "don't ask questions, just go with it" cloning and so on, so forth.