****Star Wars: Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker - Official Thread****

[Gray2233]

We've already had a Chewbacca story. It's called the holiday special.

 

[Raz]

Forgive my misuse of the word ‘fleet’. I meant ‘groups of rebelling people’ inspired by the ongoing events.

I’m not hung up over it at all.

Fair enough.

It wasn't a bad film, better than 8 I thought.

 

[SixTwoSix]

Apologies if already posted but details of what could have been, not sure if this is better or worse than what we got This is based on Colin Trevorrow's original version before Copy Pastbrams took over

The film’s original title is “Star Wars: Duel Of The Fates” and it begins with The First Order having cut off all communication between planets to suppress a rising rebellion inspired by Luke’s stand at the Battle of Crait. The Resistance’s mission is to re-open communication and call the galaxy to war.

The opening sequence of the film is set at the Kuat Shipyards and sees Finn, Rose, and BB8 steal a Star Destroyer full of old Imperial weapons and vehicles. During this heist Finn sees a fallen Stormtrooper without his helmet on and recognizes him. As a result, his internal conflict when it comes to killing his former brothers and sisters in arms is reignited.

Kylo Ren is missing as far as now Chancellor Hux is aware, but a now stubbled Kylo is on Mustafar and haunted by Luke’s force ghost. In Vader’s Temple, Kylo finds a hologram recording of Palpatine with a message for Vader – If Luke kills Palpatine, Vader is to take Luke to the Remnicore System to see Palpatine’s teacher Tor Valum.

The Holocron detects Kylo isn’t Vader and explodes in red lighting, burning him in the process – Leia force senses it just as the Kuat team return with their stolen Star Destroyer. Rey is still having nightmares involving her connection to Kylo, but in her researching Luke’s old Jedi texts she learns of a ‘Force Beacon’ – a hidden communication system from the Old Republic that can send a signal to 50 planets and call them to war – a signal the First Order can’t stop. The problem? Said system is under the Jedi Temple on a now enemy-occupied Coruscant.

Force ghost Luke appears as Rey trains, pushing her to get stronger, while Kylo makes it back to Coruscant and confronts Hux before heading off again after picking up and then throwing Vader’s mask off a balcony – his devotion to the man shattered. He confronts the 7000-year-old Tor Valum and begins training with him.

The Resistance splits into two missions. The first has Rey, Poe and Chewbacca going to the planet Bonadan to find guidance for Rey. The second team is Rose, Finn, R2 and 3PO who set out to activate the force beacon.

The first team, pursued by the Knights of Ren, reach Bonadan where a Seer manages to extract a star chart out of Rey’s mind from her visions with Kylo. The Knights of Ren show up and fight Rey in a lightsaber battle.

The second team succeed at igniting the beacon, but the First Order soon cut it off and force them to flee into Coruscant’s underbelly. The pair are captured and sent to a POW camp where Rose is interrogated by Hux. Eventually, they escape with Finn having recruited defecting Stormtroopers to fight back.

Rey and Kylo eventually get to Mortis and battle when it’s ultimately revealed Kylo killed Rey’s parents at the behest of Snoke. Towards the end attempts are made to save Ben, but are unsuccessful and he is ‘extinguished’.

Leia brings her forces to Coruscant to battle the First Order with fighting in space and on the ground. Chewie flies an X-Wing at one point. The film ends with Finn and Rose taking all the Force-sensitive youth to a remote planet so Rey can train the next generation of Jedi including ‘Broom Boy’.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/original-star-wars-episode-ix-plan-revealed/

 

[steve5424]

That sounds like bad fan fiction.

 

[checjb]

The phrase "bad fan fiction" is something I've heard bandied around a lot in relation to the sequel trilogy. Whether made or unmade versions of the films.

Trevorrow's treatment has some nice ideas but he also brought us Jurassic World so I'm not holding him up as a messiah who could've saved the sequel trilogy.

 

[Scam]

That sounds like bad fan fiction.

Sounds like nonsense.

this appears to be genuine and hails from celebrated filmmaker, DVD producer, and YouTuber Robert Meyer Burnett

Umm yeah right. You can tell from his IMDB that he's trying to 'manage' his persona as a filmmaker/industry insider whereas in all reality there's not much more on there apart from some shorts and documentaries that are all probably self-produced. This is why I never get involved in SWs conversations; there's too many crazies out there.

 

[Warbie]

That sounds like bad fan fiction.

Yet still on par with what we got!

 

[Somnambulist]

That's... not good. He must not have liked the Kylo/Rey parallel journey narrative - one of the only cohesive things over the 3 films, even if it ended up being slightly under-cooked - because he omits it almost entirely till the end.

Also who is this Tor Valum chap? Darth Plagueis would have something to say about who Palpatine's teacher was...

"Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, then his apprentice killed him in his sleep. Ironic. He could save others from death, but not himself."

 

[steve5424]

Yet still on par with what we got!

Not at all. RoS was a decent film. I liked what we got. Yes it wasn't perfect but it was good

 

[Gray2233]

Not at all. RoS was a decent film. I liked what we got. Yes it wasn't perfect but it was good

You're welcome to your opinion, but clearly myself and people like Warbie very much disagree with you. The version posted above sounds bad, but I'd argue it's no worse than TROS which I felt was absolute and utter garbage outside of the flashy visuals.

 

[Warbie]

Not at all. RoS was a decent film. I liked what we got. Yes it wasn't perfect but it was good

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one. It was Michael Bay does Star Wars from start to finish.

 

[steve5424]

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one. It was Michael Bay does Star Wars from start to finish.

Not enough explosions to be a Bay film lol.

 

[Mr Jack]

Apologies if already posted but details of what could have been, not sure if this is better or worse than what we got This is based on Colin Trevorrow's original version before Copy Pastbrams took over

Looks better than what we got; it does at least respect the second film of the Trilogy and sounds like it has better character arcs too. Kylo training with Palpatine's teacher is a much better story than "Surprise! There's the emperor!".

 

[Moothead2]

Looks better than what we got; it does at least respect the second film of the Trilogy and sounds like it has better character arcs too. Kylo training with Palpatine's teacher is a much better story than "Surprise! There's the emperor!".

And ***** all over the established Sidious/Plagueis story.

 

[checjb]

What "established story"? We all know (best KK told us) that there was no source material to draw from. Now write this line on the blackboard a trillion times, "There is nothing but Disney!"

 

[Somnambulist]

Plagueis as teacher is 100% Disney canon - not just the mention in Revenge of the Sith but he's his name pops up several times in the Tarkin novel by Palpatine himself.

Spoiler

A little more information about Plagueis is given in Tarkin. Perhaps most important is the fact that Plagueis was indeed Sidious' master.

Save for Sidious, no sentient being in close to five thousand years had set foot in the shrine [under the former Jedi Temple]. The room’s excavation and restoration had been carried out by machines under the supervision of 11-4D. Even Vader was unaware of the shrine’s existence. But it was here that they would one day work together the way Sidious and Plagueis had to coax from the dark side its final secrets. In the intervening years he had actually come to appreciate Plagueis for the planner and prophet he had been. Such perilous machinations required two Sith, one to serve as bait for the dark side, the other to be the vessel. Success would grant them the power to harness the full powers of the dark side, and allow them to rule for ten thousand years.

p. 101

Elsewhere it is mentioned that the droid 11-4D was owned by Plagueis.

Plagueis was still alive by the time Sidious became Naboo's senator, which is consistent with the Legends novel Darth Plagueis:

[Sidious and Tarkin] had met several years after Sidious -- still an apprentice of Darth Plagueis at the time -- had been appointed Naboo’s representative to the Republic Senate.

p. 102

Plagueis on the Force:

Darth Plagueis had once remarked that “the Force can strike back.” The death of a star didn’t necessarily curtail its light, and indeed Sidious could see evidence of that sometimes even in Vader—the barest flicker of persistent light.

p. 102

Plagueis disdained "trivial" political matters and did not foresee that Sidious would rise to become Emperor:

The Emperor spent a long moment studying Ison and Rancit, stretching out with his powers to discern alignments, configurations, some syzygy of events. Then his thoughts turned to Vader and Tarkin. He appreciated how well they were working together, but he began to wonder if they were perhaps too close to the details of the dissidents’ scheme to recognize their ultimate objective. One needed to have a safe remove, as he felt he had, gazing into the 3-D representation of the galaxy he had made his own. How Plagueis would have mocked him for allowing himself to become personally involved in such a seemingly trivial matter; but then his Master had never foreseen that his onetime apprentice would become Emperor.

p. 103

Copied from some srs Star Wars fan discussion elsewhere.

 

[PlacidCasual]

Finally made the effort to see this. I’ll give it 5/10.

I spent the whole first half worried it was complete rubbish the plot the pacing just rubbish. But it would have made a better story for Ep8 than TLJ.

The second half was the best the trilogy has been. It’s what we wanted for the whole trilogy. Kylo aside who has had a reasonable arc, it was more character development in the last half of the last film than in the first 2 1/2 films. The concept, story, pacing was SO MUCH better than anything that had gone before.

Ma-Rey Sue is still there but at least there was a veneer of credibility restored with the Palpatine connection. Still too skilled at everything (even sailing, for the first ever time???) as opposed to just powerful, but that horse has bolted. Fin and Poe we’re still boned just not as hard as in previous movies.

I think this was about the best ending that could be achieved. I had a few goosebump moments and I wasn’t left offended by dumb plot devices. Hats off to Abram’s he has recovered a smidge of dignity to the colossal screw up that this trilogy has been. The last hour really felt like the Star Wars I hoped for.

Could easily have been so much better as a trilogy if they had worked and agreed the whole plot out beforehand and got some competent producers to tailor the screenplays to make it more balanced.

 

[Gerard]

Yup

 

[Gerard]

 

[Btone]