****Star Wars: Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker - Official Thread****

Supposedly a final scene they were contemplating adding was a variation of Aliens Lucas wanted to include had he done 7/8/9. The "Whills". In later drafts they were essentially the force (Lucas version of 7/8/9 had them basically be this), in earlier drafts (from the 70's) they or their keepers were meant to be Galactic Historians to some extent. The ending scene might have been 3po and r2 finishing telling their story to the Whills so the movies were all as they seen it, 100 years plus after ep 9 and in a different part of the Universe. Also supposed to be why the movies all started with the "A long time ago in a Galaxy far far away" opening crawl.


Probably more retcon bs overall or early ideas being elaborated on by fans.
 
The novelization of Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker confirms Palpatine was a clone. The Disney era of Star Wars has frequently used novelizations to tie up loose ends from the films themselves. In the case of Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker, the film had a startling number of plot holes that writer Rae Carson will surely be hoping to navigate.

Marketing for Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker had emphasized the unexpected return of Emperor Palpatine, and moviegoers were eager to learn how Darth Sidious had survived his death in Return of the Jedi. Remarkably, the film avoided explaining it at all; the Emperor hand-waved the question away with a quote from Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith. "The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some would consider unnatural," he observed. It's generally been assumed Carson's novelization will shed a little more light on matters.
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https://screenrant.com/star-wars-palpatine-clone-rise-skywalker-confirm-novel/
 
This tells you all you need to know about how badly Star Wars has been treated by Disney when the last episode of an epic 9 part series comes almost bottom in the box office with a box office of $1.05Billion!

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b0rn2sk8 said:
Eeerrr... your own chart shows they did better than the prequels which were ultimately in the creative control of the great George Lucas.
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Errrrrr no it didn't and Errrr read my post.

As I stated VERY clearly - it came "almost bottom in the box office with a box office of $1.05Billion!" i.e. it made just $40m more than last placed Attack of the Clones and $140m LESS than Revenge of the Sith making it..........wait for it.........."almost bottom" - yay!!!!!!

Lets be even more clear - From Phantom Menace ($1.84b) to ATotC ($1.01b) the franchise lost $830m which is very bad, but from TFA ($2.21b) to RoS ($1.05b) the franchise lost $1.16b - thats B for BILLION and nearly 40% more loss than the prequels - so "Almost Bottom" for the conclusion of the most epic franchise in Cinema history until the MCU - is definitely not something to celebrate!

I mean imagine EndGame flopping to just $1b vs the actual £2.8b, thats the sort of scale of the failure Disney had with the SW franchise.
 
ianh said:
This tells you all you need to know about how badly Star Wars has been treated by Disney when the last episode of an epic 9 part series comes almost bottom in the box office with a box office of $1.05Billion!
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Like I said, they only ‘bombed’ when you completely ignore how ‘well’ the Lucas made prequal trilogy did. How hard is that to grasp?

3 of the 6 films Lucas made were objectively worse and performed worse than the Disney made trilogy. Let’s not forget all the nonsense Lucas has pulled with changing the scenes or adding new things after the fact. He isn’t exactly innocent here.

It would be safer to say that people stopped caring about Star Wars after RotJ. Every now and then a new trilogy starts, people get excited, watch it and realise they still don’t care and don’t bother with the rest.

The MCU is a completely different franchise with a much broader audience than Star Wars and far more mainstream appeal. The irony is that it’s also produced by Disney.

How do you explain other content like the Mandalorian and the cartoon series? By all accounts they are pretty good.
 
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Beautiful to look at, great VFX and pretty good acting (mostly) but, wow, the script might as well have been written by a 7 year old who knows nothing about Star Wars except they have lightsabers and the Force is magic. It was laughable. Actually, scratch that, it was infuriating as they just p***ed all over the canon. Rey really is a terrible, terrible character.
The only fun bit was watching the whole "F you, Rian" bit on Craggy Island.
 
Very pretty but utter load of ****. How did that happe.... the force obviously. What has happened to good storytelling in the past 5 years. Seems to have entirely given way to sentimental, low IQ, say what you see storytelling covered in a thick layer of feminism and in things like Star Wars case, nostalgia.
 
My teenage daughter was laughing throughout. Like when 3 people stormed an entire Star Destroyer. "She's not brave, it's just that she's so perfect that she'll be fine no matter what." She's 14 and said "Rey was supposed to be a role model but she's awful. Everything she does works out and she can do ANYTHING without training or thought. What does that say to girls like me if we fail at anything?". That is a very valid point that the "writers" (sarcastic air quotes intended) obviously missed in their rush to virtue signal with their Perfect Female TM.
 
fez said:
Very pretty but utter load of ****. How did that happe.... the force obviously. What has happened to good storytelling in the past 5 years. Seems to have entirely given way to sentimental, low IQ, say what you see storytelling covered in a thick layer of feminism and in things like Star Wars case, nostalgia.
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I suspect it's the fashion for directors and showrunners doing their own script writing. Instead of professional writers, its people knocking together stuff for agenda and flashy visuals in the hope it makes money. Good stories and characters that obey the rules of writing don't make the cut when you don't have writers doing the work. Instead of a coherent story, it's a lot of flashy visual scenes (often chasing the mcguffin) linked together badly with relationship/agenda drama. A big exposition at the end to explain to audiences what they were watching (because the story was so incoherent) and you're done. The characters are poor because they don't drive the story, they are two dimensional and only there to serve the showrunners hitting the "cool idea" visual scenes they want to put into the movie, thus they don't matter.

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My teenage daughter was laughing throughout. Like when 3 people stormed an entire Star Destroyer. "She's not brave, it's just that she's so perfect that she'll be fine no matter what." She's 14 and said "Rey was supposed to be a role model but she's awful. Everything she does works out and she can do ANYTHING without training or thought. What does that say to girls like me if we fail at anything?". That is a very valid point that the "writers" (sarcastic air quotes intended) obviously missed in their rush to virtue signal with their Perfect Female TM.
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Very true. I think a lot of people (not just children) could identify with Luke. He comes from humble beginnings, but he wants to make more of his life, and when his opportunity comes, he goes on a heroic journey, finding friends and a family, a destiny to fulfil, working hard to become more, suffering setbacks to overcome and eventually triumphing through the knowledge, maturity, and skills he's gained along his way. He makes mistakes, suffers losses, but also overcomes and adds more to his life than he had before.

Rey on the other hand emerges fully formed, perfect and infallible, a get out of jail card for every aspect in the story. She has no agency or struggle, no progression, no journey or effort to make. She's more like an automaton or doll, serving the story, but not her own character. She's curiously absent, a hole in the story, just there to push the narrative forwards like a mcguffin herself. She's not a person, she's a narrative mechanic for the explosions.
 
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Steampunk said:
Rey on the other hand emerges fully formed, perfect and infallible, a get out of jail card for every aspect in the story. She has no agency or struggle, no progression, no journey or effort to make. She's more like an automaton or doll, serving the story, but not her own character. She's curiously absent, a hole in the story, just there to push the narrative forwards like a mcguffin herself. She's not a person, she's a narrative mechanic for the explosions.
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I enjoyed the movies overall (wouldn't hold them up as masterpieces by a long way though) - but do agree with this...

Imagine a version where she isn't just slighted tempted by the darkside during TLJ but ends up falling to it completely, and for a time does effectively rule, with Kylo, but she actually surpasses him and starts to go almost to far (to the point where he is like "woah, okay... this is seeming a bit too evil now, even for me!" - which would tie in nicely with the reveal about who she really is if they wanted to stick with that)... Ben could then go the other way (but sooner than in the final movie) and end up ultimately either defeating her (or if killing off the female lead as a villain was too much, maybe getting through to her in the end and bringing her back to the light)... Could even have avoided having actual Palpatine show up and instead go the route that she was being controlled or influenced by his ghost/presence in some way
 
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