** Star Wars Episode VII - SPOILERS WITHIN **

TheOtherOption said:
Saw it for a second time just now and have to say I agree on the Daniel Craig cameo now I've seen and heard the scene again ;)
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It's weird. It really does sound like him but I imagine that the voice lines were recorded at a completely different time to filming so I wonder if he was both voice and actor or just voice or neither. I wonder if we'll ever know!
 
FoxEye said:
Take one scene from TFA which for me is an example of the bad writing in TFA. The scene where they are discussing "strategy" in Leia's war room. At no point do they seem concerned by the challenge ahead of them. Nobody seems upset, or panicky, or hopeless, or even scared.

Contrast this with the scene in Aliens where the dropship has just crashed. Birk starts being sarcastic to everyone, whilst Hudson breaks down. "We're in some real **** now! Game over, man!" etc.
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I don't think it's the best comparison. This is a room of war veterans, many have already lived through the rebellion, why would they be panicking and scared? Compare that to Aliens where it's a bunch of grunts in an informal situation where the plan has already gone south and the differing attitude makes more sense.
 
FoxEye said:
Well, they had just witnessed the destruction of the entire Republic fleet and home world. Doesn't that qualify as "gone south"? No? I guess you must have balls of steel :p

Also they conveniently know the precise specs of the Starkiller base, how to get past their shields, its internal construction, etc, etc.

How do they know this? Finn was a janitor. How do they know they can fly through the shields? If the Falcon can do it (the Falcon described as "ancient junk" by Rey), then surely any ship can do it?

So why did they design the base with shields that anyone can fly straight through?

This is a perfect example of Mary Sue characters. All-knowing, able to concoct a perfect strategy in literally 30 seconds of screen time, and able to pull it off without a single hitch, exactly as they envisaged.

All the while displaying absolutely no emotion that the audience can connect with.

And lastly, if you think war veterans never get scared, or always succeed, or would take a suicide mission with complete confidence... that to me is entirely in the realms of (bad) fiction, not something I feel is believable. I have no RL military experience, but show me a veteran who never gets scared...
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1. The Falcon was never a pile of junk. Solo upgraded it significantly beyond stock spec. It's a running thing throughout the series that people underestimate it because it's an older freighter (even older now!).

2. Solo tries ridiculously risky maneuvers, again something that is mentioned throughout the film series, it's possible nobody has ever tried approaching a planet at light speed to get through a shield! Much like how in the originals the Empire completely underestimated a pure fighter assault on the death star.

3. The plan didn't go off without a hitch, there were lots of hitches. They couldn't damage the base at all so Han and Chewie had to come up with a backup plan.

4. They didn't go into in depth how they get intelligence, they didn't in the originals either. All we got was a throwaway line about bothans dying. Films generally don't explain every single detail, there is rarely time to do so without sacrificing elsewhere.

5. I didn't say veterans never get scared, I just said it's unlikely they'd be breaking down at a war council or being sarcastic to each other, it's just not the place for it.

Yeah the Republic fleet had just been destroyed, it's not entirely clear what worlds were destroyed though. The galaxy is a big, big place. It was only one system that was destroyed.

Oh we're discussing Harry Potter, how many other films are we going to talk about? I'd be happy to join in a HP discussion but go start a thread for it, don't take this one off topic.
 
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I just think it's a weird thing to say. The originals didn't spell everything little thing out either. If you didn't like the originals either...then maybe these just aren't the films for you? I can't think of a single epic adventure film like Star Wars that doesn't leave a few things up to the imagination.
 
Richdog said:
Wow, you really have to ask that? I'm honestly surprised you need this explaining to you.

The whole point was that, especially in the first film, we didn't see him too much. He was a deeply ominous presence, he was treated (his mere mention, even) with fear or terror by those around him (exception, GMT), and when he acted it was always with authority, confidence and finality. No self-doubt or second guessing. You just knew he was the epitome of destruction, an angel of death. If you didn't get that after watching the original trilogy then I feel for you, as you missed out on much of the impact.
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So nothing?

Angel of death, lol.
 
I think it would have been better if his helmet came off when he faced Han rather than Rey but I think the helmet had to come off. The Han scene would have had no impact without being able to see his reactions and Han looking into his eyes and touching his face as he killed him.
 
v0n said:
In the pre episode 7 canon bowcaster's magnetic recoil was too strong for anyone under Wookie's 2.5 meters in height and 150kg of weight to handle without harming themselves. Obviously now it's one of those things that were discarded from canon.
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Were they? I know they were weapons in games usable by humans, I can't remember what level of canon Jedi Knight was though.
 
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