Star Wars Episode VII - SPOILERS WITHIN

The Dread Pirate · 12 Mar 2013 at 13:43

Shamikebab said:
A lot of it is but it has it's howlers

http://io9.com/5988376/the-12-worst-things-in-the-star-wars-expanded-universe

But what do you do, just retell the same stories they've already told? Fans would just complain at any change from the source material and it's not guaranteed that it would translate well anyway.

The only two I can agree on there are the Crystal Star and the Sun Crusher all the rest are unofficial and not counted in the EU also anything under the title of Clone wars or anything set around the mistakes that were ep's 1-3 I don't count because they're not truely SW.

Shamikebab · 12 Mar 2013 at 13:49

Well they are truely Star Wars, just because you say they aren't it doesn't make it so...

The Dread Pirate · 12 Mar 2013 at 14:01

Shamikebab said:
Well they are truely Star Wars, just because you say they aren't it doesn't make it so...

They're unofficial and don't tie into the books or films... I mean the prince series, splinter of the minds eye & the early comics says as such on Wookiepedia.

IMHO same goes for eps 1-3 as such they connot be considered canon!

Shamikebab · 12 Mar 2013 at 14:04

Shamikebab said:
Well they are truely Star Wars, just because you say they aren't it doesn't make it so...

The Dread Pirate said:
IMHO same goes for eps 1-3 as such they connot be considered canon!

*facepalm*

The Dread Pirate · 12 Mar 2013 at 14:17

Shamikebab said:
*facepalm*

Not just me the SW community at large considers those particular series non-canon as for the episodes that is just mine and my mates who like the Saga's opinion and as such they can be considered "canon" eventhough they don't tie into the EU books except a couple that were written after the new eps which also seem slightly out of place IMO but you can't sit there and tell me that eps 1-3 were any good for anything other than action and pretty graphics the story was poor the acting was just diabolical and Anikins fall to the darkside was just well too easy!

Shamikebab · 12 Mar 2013 at 14:32

Well I don't think you and your mates canon really counts, it's the creator's that count. All the films are obviously canon.

I think Episode 1, 2 and 3 have their strengths and weaknesses just as 4,5 and 6 do. Unfortunately the loudest fans were brought up with 4,5 and 6 and there is a heavy dose of nostalgia that helps mask the shortcomings.

The Dread Pirate · 12 Mar 2013 at 15:49

Shamikebab said:
I think Episode 1, 2 and 3 have their strengths

Other than excessive action and CGI what are the strengths?

Shamikebab · 12 Mar 2013 at 16:04

McGregor was excellent as Kenobi, the lightsaber sequences are very impressive. I think the locations of the universe were well realised and the differing position of the Jedi (to what Luke is initially turned into) is well represented. The general story is good (just the poor dialogue that lets it down)

The Dread Pirate · 12 Mar 2013 at 16:29

Shamikebab said:
McGregor was excellent as Kenobi, the lightsaber sequences are very impressive. I think the locations of the universe were well realised and the differing position of the Jedi (to what Luke is initially turned into) is well represented. The general story is good (just the poor dialogue that lets it down)

1. McGregor didn't do justice to the role his acting was blunt and cheesy.

2. As stated earlier other than CGI and Action what were the strengths lightsaber battles and environmental settings are included in this true some of it was rather impressive but...

3. the entire story seemed like it was written on the back of a napkin in a cafe the only bit of expostion you actually have that sets the scene is in the opening crawl mentioning extremely briefly the troubles of the galaxy at large then you hear **** all about any of it and go straight into oh invade planet find Anikin follow his poorly witten story add a couple of council scenes where Yoda seems to do all the talking and decision making and **** the rest of whats going on it was **** poor. there is no way in hell you can convince me there's any substance to the films at all.

Robosapien · 12 Mar 2013 at 16:52

Star Trek is way better.

Shamikebab · 12 Mar 2013 at 17:31

The Dread Pirate said:
1. McGregor didn't do justice to the role his acting was blunt and cheesy.

2. As stated earlier other than CGI and Action what were the strengths lightsaber battles and environmental settings are included in this true some of it was rather impressive but...

3. the entire story seemed like it was written on the back of a napkin in a cafe the only bit of expostion you actually have that sets the scene is in the opening crawl mentioning extremely briefly the troubles of the galaxy at large then you hear **** all about any of it and go straight into oh invade planet find Anikin follow his poorly witten story add a couple of council scenes where Yoda seems to do all the talking and decision making and **** the rest of whats going on it was **** poor. there is no way in hell you can convince me there's any substance to the films at all.

Ok, I'm going to write this very clearly.

Opinion

You can't tell me what I can and can't like, you seem to have got that internet guy thing where you think your opinion is fact and everyone else is wrong :rolleyes:

shipinabottle · 12 Mar 2013 at 18:47

I thought McGregor was easily the best part of the trilogy, in 2 and 3 he's fantastic as Obi-Wan, his young Phantom Menace version is meant to be cheerful and Cheesy as he's a Padawan, he's eager and optimistic.

I never found the CGI to be at fault either, you have to remember when it was created. It's still probably far better in comparison to a lot of today's drivel CGI.

Overall, what's done is done, and you can sit here and debate the shortcomings over the entire saga,but it means absolutely nothing towards the future films as Lucas is no longer in charge, Disney are and from what they be created for the most part with their Marvel franchise, it's safe to say, very much worth stepping back and letting them try.

robgmun · 12 Mar 2013 at 19:55

Lets not forget, there's a lot less CGI in the prequels then you might think! There a suprising amount of model work, have the pictures to prove it.

Antar Bolaeisk · 12 Mar 2013 at 20:22

Shamikebab said:
Ok, I'm going to write this very clearly.

Opinion

You can't tell me what I can and can't like, you seem to have got that internet guy thing where you think your opinion is fact and everyone else is wrong

*Waves hand in Shamikebab's direction*

You don't really like Episode I but you think II and III were okay.

Shamikebab · 12 Mar 2013 at 20:25

Actually 1 has it's moments

I like Darth Maul (even if he's better outside Episode 1) and any film with Liam Neeson is improved somewhat!

Squark · 12 Mar 2013 at 20:39

The fight sequence at the end of Phantom Menace was the ONLY vaguely decent part of the film in my opinion.

robgmun · 12 Mar 2013 at 22:58

Squark said:
The fight sequence at the end of Phantom Menace was the ONLY vaguely decent part of the film in my opinion.

+1

doodah · 3 Apr 2013 at 18:57

Disney, which acquired Lucasfilm and LucasArts last year in a $4.05 billion acquisition, has shut down the legendary LucasArts division.

Source

Shamikebab · 3 Apr 2013 at 19:10

They've been pretty pants for a while now really.

JBod · 3 Apr 2013 at 19:19

Wait does that mean no more Force Unleashed or Jedi Knight games.... ever?

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