Star Wars VIII : The Last Jedi [WARNING: SPOILERS]

So does anyone remember that absolute nobody character that everyone generally hated in the Franchise called "Han Solo"? Someone so unimportant that absolutely no-one was grieving for him when he died, not his wife (well she got a hug from Rey), his best friend or anyone from the rebellion (wasn't he a janitor or something else very unimportant to the rebellion?) and how his death wasn't even mentioned in TLJ bar a single line because he was so unimportant to the franchise, well Rian Johnson said "oh yeah, we couldn't be bothered filming a funeral for him as no-one obviously cared about him, but we put it in the novelisation, that should keep the one or two sad people who liked this loser happy, right?"

https://uk.movies.yahoo.com/han-solo-funeral-happen-star-wars-last-jedi-235210219.html

Yet another reason the bosses at Disney should be taking a long hard look at themselves with respect to how they have dealt with the OT cast in Ep8 and how they deal with it in Ep9.

*edit* While the handling of Luke's death and Leia's Mary Poppins act have been the main talk about how the OT cast were dealt with, I feel that the biggest surprise for me was the lack of ANYTHING Han related following his noble death in Ep7, not even anyone walking upto Leia to give any condolences for the loss of a husband, or the passing of a Rebel General who was a massive history in the destruction of the Empire. The End of Ep7 seemed to make Hans death "mean" something, that is was done for a reason that would have consequences, yet Ep8 threw all that away, all Han's history and death and made it.........nothing.

Kylo is still the same "conflicted" Kylo as before, he had no moment of clarity or peace or maybe even remorse or anything to show what the cost of killing his own father was. Leia never even mentions her husbands death, Chewie is busy eating Porg, Luke only gets to ask a question but then........nothing, no reaction, no grief, no acknowledgement that his best friend has been killed by the boy Luke trained, no chat with Chewie..........Nothing.
 
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@ianh Han's death was all over TLJ.

Luke himself had a moment with Leia that was obviously a condolence for Han dying.

Kylo ren is no longer conflicted on the right path: he just realised that he had killed the wrong father figure. Getting rid of Snoke fixed that.
 
Well I think we watched very different films then because my ears didn't hear anyone show any grief and, the scenes where there could have been, aren't shown but ARE in the novel showing they 'wanted' to have some acknowledgement but couldn't film it, but here's my interpretation of those events you mentioned -

Luke and Leia's Dice "moment" was was very odd as Luke isn't there, he is a projection that has no physical presence (as shown by leaving no footprints in the salt) so how does he give Leia the dice which, by extension, must also be a projection? As the MF arrives 5 minutes later with Rey, does it still have the "real" dice for Leia? I understand that at certain times just a gesture can be enough between family but to not say anything to Leia about all things he's done upto this point or what he's about to do (no "I must face him Leia" comment) as Luke must have known it was the last time he would have been able to chat to Leia before dying, etc is a bit odd. Also, as mentioned earlier, not one single character verbally acknowledges Han Solo's death in the movie, yet a character we know for less than 2 minutes (Roses sister) gets a 2 full grief scenes, for an extra onscreen for no time at all, a character that means nothing to story or franchise!

Kylo, to me, is just as conflicted at the end of TLJ (after Rey turns him down) as he was before killing Han. He thought killing his father would bring any sense of closure or complete him by removing any hint of the light side from him but it didn't so he's still conflicted as his new father figure Snoke is belittling to him, leaving him with no-one to look up too anymore. So if killing his father didn't move his story forward, because he's in the same place as before but now without either "father", what was the point?

As films are subjective I realise that people interpt what they see and hear different so those are just my opinions of what I took away from the film regarding Han's death.
 
Kylo picks up the Luke dice once they get inside and they disappear in his hands which figureatively was another kick in the nads for him.
 
Decent film...good popcorn entertainment.

My main takeaway from the film though....the scene with the warp drive collision incident just made me sad that we don't get this kind of budget spent on proper sci-fi.

(And then finding it a bit daft that they've now decided physics and light speed collisions are a thing....someone should have told the rebels to just point anything with a warp drive at the death stars back in the day...could have saved a lot of hassle)
 
For me, the worst star wars film yet, filled up with over the top feminism to the point of humiliating the male characters, would be interesting to see them do that the other way around! Turned Luke Skywalker in to a complete shell of his former self, scenes added in to just make the whole thing politically correct, it was downright awful.
 
Drukk said:
For me, the worst star wars film yet, filled up with over the top feminism to the point of humiliating the male characters, would be interesting to see them do that the other way around! Turned Luke Skywalker in to a complete shell of his former self, scenes added in to just make the whole thing politically correct, it was downright awful.
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I don’t think that any characters were humiliated ‘because they were male’. Nor did I feel that the movie was feminist. A lot of the ‘strong characters’ were female *shrug* - I’m completely indifferent on that. Doesn’t bother me any more than if all the strong lead characters were male.

Careful, or you’ll head down the path that (I perceive) you dislike :p
 
Drukk said:
For me, the worst star wars film yet, filled up with over the top feminism to the point of humiliating the male characters, would be interesting to see them do that the other way around! Turned Luke Skywalker in to a complete shell of his former self, scenes added in to just make the whole thing politically correct, it was downright awful.
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I thought the slaughter of the children at the Jedi school was the cause of Luke's angst, not feminism? :confused:
 
enkoda said:
I thought the slaughter of the children at the Jedi school was the cause of Luke's angst
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I agree, feminism and SJW-crap is nowhere near them the top of the list for screw-ups in this film. But the evaporation, dismissal and cackhandedness of dealing with elements like the above implied and eluded to in The Force Awakens is absolutely the core of The Last Jedi's failings. I have no issue with female characters no problem, except the Mary Sue, Mary Poppins types that break the plot. I have no issue with a black guy as the co lead except when his plot is tedious, badly executed and utterly pointless both to the overall film and the character. I think some of the feminist, race counter arguments are straw men to avoid the films real problems. I don't mind moving on from the past but show some respect, Han died no-one cared not even his best mate. The man who saved the universe with compassion not uber Jedi like powers tries to murder his nephew because he whiffed of the darkside after literally gambling his life on a sliver of good in the worst man in history. Pointless white man bashing was not the deal breaker in this movie, its a diversion from the stinker of a plot and careless attitude toward priceless heirloom.

edit: re-worded some language that I didn't like
 
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I've had high expectations for this movie. Some things were pretty much a punch in the face with how they solved things: Rey parentage, Snoke, how they handled Luke's character. I have very mixed feelings.
 
PlacidCasual said:
The man who saved the universe with compassion not uber Jedi like powers tries to murder his nephew because he whiffed of the darkside after literally gambling his life on a sliver of good in the worst man in history.
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For me the Lukle/Rey/Kylo parts of the film were the only bits that worked. Most of the issues were with the pacing of the individual scenes and having too much story to tell within the allotted time.
 
Why is Rey's parents a punch in the face? I thought that was probably the best outcome for all concerned.

Jedis arent even supposed to have kids, so the 1000's of Jedis before her never had important parents.
 
VincentHanna said:
Why is Rey's parents a punch in the face? I thought that was probably the best outcome for all concerned.

Jedis arent even supposed to have kids, so the 1000's of Jedis before her never had important parents.
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Its not a punch in the face, its more to do with them choosing to do nothing with her, to give her no personality. Instead of being taught by Luke, SHE lectures Luke the master despite living in a sand dump her entire life. She is literally a character that can do no wrong, no task is beyond her, no bad thing ever befalls her. She goes into the lions den and comes out exactly the same as before. The threat of the darkside? She jumps in headfirst and we find she's immune. The threat of Snoke, its OK because she's Rey, she's not going to get hurt or change.

We don't know who she is because she has no personality. Infact she's different from how she was in Force Awakens, in that she had an innocence and vulnerability despite her accomplishments, but in TLJ she's got nothing. She's just a girl who is beyond everything that came before her in the franchise and then, despite everything she does, at the end the director wishes us to believe she's a learner because "lifting rocks." But of course its not just one or two rocks, its the whole mountainside.

The writing is **** poor. It simply is. That's my problem with Rey. I've gone from defending her in Force Awakens to being completely apathetic to her. There's no risk, there's no progression, there's no growth. It's like watching a live action fanfiction written by a fan girl who injected herself into the main role and can do no wrong.
 
eggyoke said:
There's no risk, there's no progression, there's no growth. It's like watching a live action fanfiction written by a fan girl who injected herself into the main role and can do no wrong.
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Perfect summary.
 
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