State Funded Slimming Classes

Depends who pays for the classes. Is it the NHS or the patient ?

The articles imply that the NHS will pay for the classes. My understanding is that the classes are seen as a treatment in the same way as drugs or surgery would be.

It's a bit of a pardigm shift as I'm not aware of any other health problems being treated with something that the general public would normally have to pay for.
 
I lost 3.5 stones in the last year.

I didn't need classes to do it.

If you want to lose the weight you will lose it.

If you don't, you won't.

Public money should not be involved.
 
Hence my point about education - I don't like diets that don't educate the individual about *why* they are losing weight, a permanent solution is awareness of nutrition.

I agree with this.

I see obesity as a symptom of a problem.

Treat the symptom with weight loss programmes etc. Solve the problem with education about excersise and nutrition and information about the health risks of being unhealthy.

You could even go a step further and prescribe a gym membership! I'm not sure the public would accept this however:p.
 
I lost 3.5 stones in the last year.

I didn't need classes to do it.

If you want to lose the weight you will lose it.

If you don't, you won't.

Public money should not be involved.

Does that mean the NHS shouldn't prescribe medicines and surgery for obesity related problems?
 
I lost 3.5 stones in the last year.

I didn't need classes to do it.

If you want to lose the weight you will lose it.

If you don't, you won't.

Public money should not be involved.

Have to disagree with that last point. So long as it isn't excessive amounts and it is being used in the correct way, public money can and has been squandered on far more useless things.
 
You could even go a step further and prescribe a gym membership! I'm not sure the public would accept this however:p.

I know you were saying that as tongue-in-cheek but that wouldn't benefit anyone. Gym's can be horrible places to go if you don't really know what you're going to do.
 
I lost 3.5 stones in the last year.

I didn't need classes to do it.

If you want to lose the weight you will lose it.

If you don't, you won't.

Public money should not be involved.

Replace weight with smoking, drugs, alcohol, etc.. they are all addictions. It's not as simple as just someone being lazy, though in a lot of cases it is.

Can I have my monthly gym membership paid by the taxpayers please?

My GP can prescribe me a gym membership so yeah.
 
It's not just the lack of exercise. It's the **** diet - English people eat an awful diet compared to so many other parts of the world. Even people who are skinny aren't necessarily healthy.

I'm not skinny by any means but my diet is balanced and fully home cooked from fresh ingredients and I exercise regularly, compare me to the stick insect who lives on red bull and funyuns and who is going to live longer?

I don't think it'll work for two reasons

1. Because slimming classes are for meaty middleaged women and no one ever loses weight as a result of one

2. Because the fat *******s will be too lazy to go, they'll sit at home with their ready meal and pop and get fatter.

What they should do is provide dieticians to those who want them and lets say if you're one of those narwhals they say

"Mr. Narwhal, if you become a healthy weight we'll pay for the surgical removal of the excess skin and send an attractive nurse to give you a sponge bath - deal?"
 
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Replace weight with smoking, drugs, alcohol, etc.. they are all addictions. It's not as simple as just someone being lazy, though in a lot of cases it is.
From speaking to people I tend to find if it's about somebody else being fat, it's laziness - if it's them, it's a medical or psychological condition.

Humans are bias, I'd want to see data to determine the exact percentage which relate to what - but one thing which is worth noting, psychologists will not speak about laziness, it's an intellectually bankrupt term which doesn't map onto anything in reality.

It's a shame it's used so much, as a short-cut to the complex reality of motivation theory & the host of issues related to problems related to it motivation, ironic that the term 'lazy' is used by people who are too lazy (lack the motivation) to find out it's a void term.

It's not just the lack of exercise. It's the **** diet - English people eat an awful diet compared to so many other parts of the world. Even people who are skinny aren't necessarily healthy.

I'm not skinny by any means but my diet is balanced and fully home cooked from fresh ingredients and I exercise regularly, compare me to the stick insect who lives on red bull and funyuns and who is going to live longer?

I don't think it'll work for two reasons

1. Because slimming classes are for meaty middleaged women and no one ever loses weight as a result of one

2. Because the fat *******s will be too lazy to go, they'll sit at home with their ready meal and pop and get fatter.
Thank you for that useful & insightful contribution.

NHS should pay for my next bike then :D
Assuming you could lease one/provide bank details in-case it 'goes missing' if it really would cost the NHS less then it should be seriously considered as a worthwhile program.

Regarding the OP.

If they want to run a program to aid obese people to lose weight then run a number of different trails - you don't need to open something up to the UK to get some data to see if it's a worthwhile (economically assuming that's the only motivation - which sadly seems the case for many) scheme, do a few studies & come back with the hard data.

If it stands up to critical scrutiny it should be done, the kind of people who have a problem with obese people getting something for free should be rightly ignored - it's a public health issue.
 
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I suppose fat people pay tax, NI etc so if this is thought to be a good idea by health professionals then might as well give it a go. So long as the classes are not just about weight loss and deal with education and fat people's attitudes towards their weight.
 
64% of UK adults are overweight or obese

The other 36% all are registered for OCUK GD and all fit as a butchers dog, not one ounce of fat.
 
64% of UK adults are overweight or obese

The other 36% all are registered for OCUK GD and all fit as a butchers dog, not one ounce of fat.
Indeed. :D

But as I said earlier, the ones on OCUK who are obese are so because of a pre-existing condition or depression. Everybody else in the world is just lazy (because that's how it seems from what you read on here). :p

It must be nice for so many to have two sets of standards.
 
64% of UK adults are overweight or obese

The other 36% all are registered for OCUK GD and all fit as a butchers dog, not one ounce of fat.

Fitness being measured by keyboard usage. Judging by some of the pictures on here this is the place of plenty. :p
 
Indeed. :D

But as I said earlier, the ones on OCUK who are obese are so because of a pre-existing condition or depression. Everybody else in the world is just lazy (because that's how it seems from what you read on here). :p

It must be nice for so many to have two sets of standards.

Um...hi.

I pointed out in a prev thread that I was previously over-weight because I was nothing more than lazy!

#exceptiontotherule
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