Steam prices! Grey key sites! and the I love/hate developers thread - Enter if you dare!

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Console games are overpriced IMO, its one of the benefits of PC gaming.

The RRP tends to be at least £20 less, and though the hardware is more expensive. If you buy 20 games a year you save about £400 compared to a console gamer

I have no problem exploiting loopholes or using cdkeys.com so long as its legal and the developer is getting some money. I tend to use CD Keys but a few years ago I was using VPN to buy stuff via Origin Mexico or Origin India.
 
Nate75 said:
BF4, Batman. Do you wish me to continue?

Anyway. DP has just said his piece so I am going to bow out of this thread.


Interesting mind :)
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I didn't buy either BF4 or Batman.

I guess my "method" involves people being a bit more discerning and having a bit of willpower and not just pre-ordering every new "shiny" game that's announced ;)
 
Jono8 said:
I am not discoutning it completely. In truth no one really knows. All i know, in my head i just simply wont by most games at the full UK price and will wait till they drop to a reasonable amount ( which is normally in a matter of months these days) - if i can see it cheap on a cd key site/different region i will buy it earlier.
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This sums up my point really.

In my mind i set a price on a game. When it hits that price I will buy it.

If TR was not available for £7 I would wait. Its called self control.
 
Haggisman said:
How is it illogical?

If a developer has gone to the effort of making a decent game which runs well, looks good, is enjoyable, has a great storyline, and will give me 50+ hours of entertainment, I'm more than happy to pay £30-40 for it, because I know that if the developer makes enough money on that game they are more likely to do the same with their next one.

If that same developer makes a loss on the game because everyone bought a Russian copy for £5, then what exactly do you think they are going to do?
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You are aware that those who sell the games are on a sale or return? once they are gone they are gone. If the dev want 10k of cheap sales, they will release 10k of cheap keys. If they want to sell 10k at full price they will sell 10k at full price. These are not a tangible items. In the same way an airline sells tickets cheaply on third party sites, cheaper than their own branded website, once those seat allocations are sold.... they are sold.
The grey market is what it is. Grey, sanctioned by the those who are creating it. If they did want to clamp down... they could. DRM is a bitch.
 
drs101 said:
Your not taking into account the greed of the corporations that just want profit, do you think their not making money from a game they sell in Thailand for half the price?

They charge more because people can and will pay.
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Hate to break it to you, but video games don't grow on trees. Where do you think the budgets for AAA games come from?

Fact is, you budget for your title expecting a certain amount of sales in, say, the UK, based on market size, previous games if it was a sequel, appetite for the genre and a whole host of other factors....but ultimately, you'll have an idea of how many units you'll shift in a given country. That number will decide what sort of money you are going to be able to spend on developing the game.

Now, with the explosion in use of grey market key selling sites, for PC games you have to factor in that a whole bunch of your sales in a given territory are going to be heavily discounted.

The ethical and moral argument is a separate issue. Fact is that the games industry is losing out on revenue. Now you may be one of the people that hates the evil mega-corporations and think this is a good thing (but happily plays multi-million budget AAA titles no doubt), but the point stands.
 
mid_gen said:
Hate to break it to you, but video games don't grow on trees. Where do you think the budgets for AAA games come from?

Fact is, you budget for your title expecting a certain amount of sales in, say, the UK, based on market size, previous games if it was a sequel, appetite for the genre and a whole host of other factors....but ultimately, you'll have an idea of how many units you'll shift in a given country. That number will decide what sort of money you are going to be able to spend on developing the game.

Now, with the explosion in use of grey market key selling sites, for PC games you have to factor in that a whole bunch of your sales in a given territory are going to be heavily discounted.

The ethical and moral argument is a separate issue. Fact is that the games industry is losing out on revenue. Now you may be one of the people that hates the evil mega-corporations and think this is a good thing (but happily plays multi-million budget AAA titles no doubt), but the point stands.
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so when they sell a game at 50% discounted in another region the company's are making a loss?
 
drs101 said:
so when they sell a game at 50% discounted in another region the company's are making a loss?
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It requires a little more maths than that. It's a digital product, the unit cost is negligible.

What matters is the total revenue. If you're expecting 100,000 sales at 30GBP a pop and 25,000 of those sales end up being only 15 GBP a go through a grey market site then you are down on revenue.
 
I absolutely refuse to pay steam prices, and always buy keys from cdkey sites. Near on 40quid vs at most 25quid is a no brainer, my loyalty is with my own wallet, and not the developers / valve etc.
 
dink said:
I absolutely refuse to pay steam prices, and always buy keys from cdkey sites. Near on 40quid vs at most 25quid is a no brainer, my loyalty is with my own wallet, and not the developers / valve etc.
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Mind = blown.

How can so many people say they don't care about the developers... who make the games they play?

I just can't comprehend it.

If you don't care about the people making your games then by extension you must not care about the games.

Unless by some feat of mental gymnastics you've managed to disassociate the games from the people who make them.
 
FoxEye said:
Mind = blown.

How can so many people say they don't care about the developers... who make the games they play?

I just can't comprehend it.

If you don't care about the people making your games then by extension you must not care about the games.

Unless by some feat of mental gymnastics you've managed to disassociate the games from the people who make them.
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I care about games as long as they are not too expensive like others on here.

I simply would not be into gaming if each game cost £40 and had no resale value.

They just are not worth that amount of money.
 
mid_gen said:
It requires a little more maths than that. It's a digital product, the unit cost is negligible.

What matters is the total revenue. If you're expecting 100,000 sales at 30GBP a pop and 25,000 of those sales end up being only 15 GBP a go through a grey market site then you are down on revenue.
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But what might happen is you get 50,000 sales at £15 because of the cheaper price ;)
 
Jono8 said:
I care about games as long as they are not too expensive like others on here.

I simply would not be into gaming if each game cost £40 and had no resale value.

They just are not worth that amount of money.
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OK, one sec.

If the game has an expected audience of about 100,000 people, and cost £4 million to develop.

How much is "too expensive"?
 
mid_gen said:
It requires a little more maths than that. It's a digital product, the unit cost is negligible.

What matters is the total revenue. If you're expecting 100,000 sales at 30GBP a pop and 25,000 of those sales end up being only 15 GBP a go through a grey market site then you are down on revenue.
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I know your affiliated with Ubi so understand the business better than most of us here but doesn't it just come down to more vs less profit?
 
Hard to think that in this day and age people put a price their own price on something they wish to buy isn't it?...

Although in reality its essential with today's costs for essentials growing daily.

I personally decide a price on things I wish to buy (talking luxuries here) And will only take the punt when i think its financially worth it.
 
FoxEye said:
Mind = blown.

How can so many people say they don't care about the developers... who make the games they play?

I just can't comprehend it.

If you don't care about the people making your games then by extension you must not care about the games.

Unless by some feat of mental gymnastics you've managed to disassociate the games from the people who make them.
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Do you feel the same way about people who buy second hand console games ?
 
dink said:
Do you feel the same way about people who buy second hand console games ?
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I think gamers would benefit across the board if the 2nd hand market was eliminated.

The people making millions from the 2nd hand market are the places like Game and CeX.

Everybody bemoans the high cost of console games. Perhaps they should ask themselves if that high cost is partly due to the 2nd hand market that exists with console games.

I honestly think getting rid of the 2nd hand market would be good for all (unless you're Game or CeX).

Musty Pie said:
Of course he doesn't!....

PC master race and all that :p
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I own a PS2 and used to own a 360 :p I considered getting a PS4 and may still do so in future. Although it's becoming less likely as there aren't so many PS4 exclusives that I'm interested in.
 
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