Stem Cell (petition)

best of luck

If i was in your position i would a) Learn as much as is possible about everything to do with treatment and the pros and cons why China has it and UK doesnt and why UK should get it.

b) Once i know that i'd plan high-profile 1 man demos across the country.

c) However if i didnt think i had a good case for UK getting it within X amount of years i'd move to China (save money for treatment in china then find a way to travel cheaply to there)
 
best of luck

If i was in your position i would a) Learn as much as is possible about everything to do with treatment and the pros and cons why China has it and UK doesnt and why UK should get it.

b) Once i know that i'd plan high-profile 1 man demos across the country.

c) However if i didnt think i had a good case for UK getting it within X amount of years i'd move to China (save money for treatment in china then find a way to travel cheaply to there)


that's my problem, the moving plan sounds great, but i now have carers 3 times a day typing this is a major struggle, the videos of what Stem Cells can do are amazing, I'm hoping my care needs will be greatly reduced after my 6 injections.
 
no but the Chinese have a clear success rate using SC,

Do they? Has it been proven in clinical trials and scientific journals, or is it just some highly publicised cases of people saying it worked for them?

No, not at all. Stem cell research is highly restricted in this country, it's not an area that is easy for science/medicine to advance in this country, and for certain types of culturing stem cells entirely morally correct.

The UK is one of the more liberal countries regarding stem cell research.
 
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Do they? Has it been proven in clinical trials and scientific journals, or is it just some highly publicised cases of people saying it worked for them?


its not a 100% yet the web site is down again, ill post a link later, a former lord mayor from Manchester had SC in China shes OK now.
they treated a blind 6yr old she was blind for 6 years now she has perfect vision.
 
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its not a 100% yet the web site is down again, ill post a link later, a former lord mayor from Manchester had SC in China shes OK now.
they treated a blind 6yr old she was blind for 6 years now she has perfect vision.

I've seen you pursuing this goal for quite a while now, how much money have you saved up so far?
 
although i applaud you for your personal campaign - on a more human level why should YOU get the 18k and not your sister, or any other member of your family who has ataxia?

i'm just saying if i had a choice between improving my life - or that of a family member, i know i would find it a really hard decision to make.

good luck on your mission - but i think that you may well be better off starting a charitable fund rather than just trying to cadge money of forums as it will probably be a darn site easier and more successful...

edit: a quick search shows there is a well established ataxia charity in the uk, who are currently undergoing lots of research, as well as offering charitable funding for new research. they don't seem to mention stem cells though? i am sure if the uks biggest charity for a cause hasn't picked up on a life changing 'treatment' then there must be some reason for this?

i hope you raise your 18k :)
 
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its not a 100% yet the web site is down again, ill post a link later, a former lord mayor from Manchester had SC in China shes OK now.
they treated a blind 6yr old she was blind for 6 years now she has perfect vision.

See this is the kind of pie in the sky bull that makes people think they have a perfect cure in the form of stem cells. Blindness, can be caused by many THOUSANDS of things. If she had stem cell treatments that regrew her optic nerves, thats impressive however its highly unlikely thats what she was treated for. We already "cure" blindness from many different causes, we do corneal transplants and many other things that can cure blindess from certain causes.

Stating someone had their blindness cured is so incredibly not detailed that it is in no way proof of anything at all. This is my problem with stem cells, for every person who has said it worked for them, theres dozens who had no improvement from whatever problem they had.

They are in NO WAY the building blocks of life, even DNA is made up for smaller things, stem cells might be the next step on the way to truely being able to control genetic manipulation in the future, but its just a step, theres nothing anywhere to suggest its a be all cure and the problem is so many people have so many problems its just being touted like any other so called treatment. Essentially, a lot of people can make a lot of money getting stem cells and sticking them in people with little to no thought about what they are doing. At this point its almost no worse than some conman offering someone a bottle of serum as a cure, you pay 18k, it does nothing but he's got your money.

Essentialy people praying on the weak and desparate with the image of a be all cure that has never shown any such potential at all.

8 years is entirely NOTHING in terms of long term research. I'm sorry but we will never live to see a day and age where we can cure any disease, its just not feasable, we've a long way to go in terms of research science and technology, we've come a long way in the past 100 years but have many 100's of years to go.

We'll continue to find cure's or things to alleviate symptoms and exactly as we have done for the past 100 years, we'll create many other symptoms and problems with those same drugs. For every problem we "cure" we find 15 more new ones, that, is life.

For every serious infection we can cure, our drugs create new ones. We create stronger antibiotics and we'll literally cause virus's to evolve. We'll kill MRSA, and create a worse problem while doing so.


Remember that for every person around that claims to have been cured/helped by stem cells, you have people claiming that aliens cured their cancers and well, many other things aswell.

I hope you find a solution to your problem, but if you get yourself so invested, so massively believing that your ONLY solution is stem cells and that they will undoubtedly work, if you become so dependant on that idea. What happens if you get them and they don't work. What happens if someone offers you another option but you turn it down because you're convinced it won't work as only stem cells could work. You're letting yourself in for the biggest fall of your life and all the downsides that could come if stem cells don't work for you.
 
See this is the kind of pie in the sky bull that makes people think they have a perfect cure in the form of stem cells. Blindness, can be caused by many THOUSANDS of things. If she had stem cell treatments that regrew her optic nerves, thats impressive however its highly unlikely thats what she was treated for. We already "cure" blindness from many different causes, we do corneal transplants and many other things that can cure blindess from certain causes.

Stating someone had their blindness cured is so incredibly not detailed that it is in no way proof of anything at all. This is my problem with stem cells, for every person who has said it worked for them, theres dozens who had no improvement from whatever problem they had.

They are in NO WAY the building blocks of life, even DNA is made up for smaller things, stem cells might be the next step on the way to truely being able to control genetic manipulation in the future, but its just a step, theres nothing anywhere to suggest its a be all cure and the problem is so many people have so many problems its just being touted like any other so called treatment. Essentially, a lot of people can make a lot of money getting stem cells and sticking them in people with little to no thought about what they are doing. At this point its almost no worse than some conman offering someone a bottle of serum as a cure, you pay 18k, it does nothing but he's got your money.

Essentialy people praying on the weak and desparate with the image of a be all cure that has never shown any such potential at all.

8 years is entirely NOTHING in terms of long term research. I'm sorry but we will never live to see a day and age where we can cure any disease, its just not feasable, we've a long way to go in terms of research science and technology, we've come a long way in the past 100 years but have many 100's of years to go.

We'll continue to find cure's or things to alleviate symptoms and exactly as we have done for the past 100 years, we'll create many other symptoms and problems with those same drugs. For every problem we "cure" we find 15 more new ones, that, is life.

For every serious infection we can cure, our drugs create new ones. We create stronger antibiotics and we'll literally cause virus's to evolve. We'll kill MRSA, and create a worse problem while doing so.


Remember that for every person around that claims to have been cured/helped by stem cells, you have people claiming that aliens cured their cancers and well, many other things aswell.

I hope you find a solution to your problem, but if you get yourself so invested, so massively believing that your ONLY solution is stem cells and that they will undoubtedly work, if you become so dependant on that idea. What happens if you get them and they don't work. What happens if someone offers you another option but you turn it down because you're convinced it won't work as only stem cells could work. You're letting yourself in for the biggest fall of your life and all the downsides that could come if stem cells don't work for you.
every link about that girls blindness is broken, Chinese web is really bad this weekend.
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It's not that simple I'm afraid. Stem cells are not the holy grail some people make them out to be. Stem cells are of no use in many areas of medicine. They are not the building blocks of life either, DNA is. If anything has the possibility to cure everything it's genetic engineering, not stem cells.

dna is the code, stem cells physical block.
 

Am i missing something or does the url not support your "broken parts" that DNA wont "touch" comment. And its just info about a trial which is in progress with no information about stem cells being effective.

Can you give examples of what stem cells have cured that gene therapy can't or hasn't yet?
 
Am i missing something or does the url not support your "broken parts" that DNA wont "touch" comment. And its just info about a trial which is in progress with no information about stem cells being effective.

Can you give examples of what stem cells have cured that gene therapy can't or hasn't yet?


iim not with you sorry, but my friend has a son with Cerebral Palsy and shes sending him to India for G-Therapy.
http://www.g-therapy.org/
again why is the UK in the slow lane on this.
 
iim not with you sorry, but my friend has a son with Cerebral Palsy and shes sending him to India for G-Therapy.
http://www.g-therapy.org/
again why is the UK in the slow lane on this.

Maybe because its insanely expensive and there are no long term studys of side effects?

Plus it hasnt been through clinical trials? Be great if you give all these people gene therapy and stem cells and then in 5 years they turn into zombies and eat everyones brains!
 
stem cell treatments has the cure for everything, just wait and see, if its the basic building blocks of life then, then it has the cure for everything.

I'm not sure it is the cure for everything, but it certainly has an awful lot of potential that is only now just being looked into, and there are still people objecting to it, I think people are warming up to it being the way froward though.
 
I'm not sure it is the cure for everything, but it certainly has an awful lot of potential that is only now just being looked into, and there are still people objecting to it, I think people are warming up to it being the way froward though.

I'm with you on that one, I accept it might not work for me, but at least I've tried, there's no bad side affect of SC and I've read thousands of articles.
also its not a 100% so our doctors cant take the risk wed sew them if it failed, at least the Chinese will tell you to get lost.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7795586.stm

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1873825,00.html
 
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iim not with you sorry, but my friend has a son with Cerebral Palsy and shes sending him to India for G-Therapy.
http://www.g-therapy.org/
again why is the UK in the slow lane on this.

G Therapy is based on the integrative approach of medicine, and draws insights from the principles of Ayurveda and Homeopathy together with principles of Neurophysiology.

Sounds very convincing. :rolleyes:

I'm with you on that one, I accept it might not work for me, but at least I've tried,

You'll have wasted £18k that could have improved yours or someone elses life by spending it differently.

there's no bad side affect of SC.

For a treatment in it's infancy you cannot say that.

also its not a 100% so our doctors cant take the risk wed sew them if it failed, at least the Chinese will tell you to get lost.

You mean they can rip you off and you can't do anything about it. Loads of treatments in the uk don't have a 100% success rate, doesn't mean you can sue the practitioner.
 
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who remember this, at least Obama wont be so stupid.

"President Bush decided to prohibit the use of federal funds to pursue human embryonic-stem-cell work. At the time, fewer than two dozen of these stem-cell lines were of good enough quality to use as a basis for human treatments"

That why the Chinese shot ahead.
 
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