Stolen iPhone X

yak.h'cir · 30 Oct 2018 at 16:12

Double post.

yak.h'cir · 30 Oct 2018 at 16:15

I had some success getting my phone back following a theft with the help of the OcUK community. It can be done! In my case I kept pestering 101 and had gained the full address for the location of the phone rather then a gps plot which was the help I needed.

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...-who-stole-my-phone-can-anyone-help.18483866/

Soviet · 30 Oct 2018 at 19:24

chrcoluk said:
Well with a wheelie bin issue what I would expect is police attendance to gather evidence, which may or may not be fingerprinting the bin. Interviewing neighbours, and checking if any cctv.

The simple fact is police can't dedicate resources to deal with an incident like that.

In a single shift as a response officer I'm expected to deal with anything ranging from shoplifting to murder and what I'm assigned to is based on risk. Like the ambulance service I'll often get assigned to something, then re-assigned to a more pressing call, like domestic violence in progress. There's officers on my team that are stuck in the nick for entire shifts, dealing with case files for ongoing investigations, and in the force in which I serve in, response officers now "carry" crimes up to and including "non-complex" GBH, robbery, and burglary cases, which used to be handled by CID. It's not unusual for a response officer to be carrying 5-10 crime reports AND be expected to deal with 999 and non-emergency calls. Then there's the fact my team is now under half the strength it used to be (Usually 10 per shift, down from 25).

Should that incident of arson get the investigation it deserves? Absolutely, but policing in this country has been totally crippled and people need to either accept that or vote in a government that take crime seriously.

LeeUK · 30 Oct 2018 at 22:48

Soviet said:
The simple fact is police can't dedicate resources to deal with an incident like that.

In a single shift as a response officer I'm expected to deal with anything ranging from shoplifting to murder and what I'm assigned to is based on risk. Like the ambulance service I'll often get assigned to something, then re-assigned to a more pressing call, like domestic violence in progress. There's officers on my team that are stuck in the nick for entire shifts, dealing with case files for ongoing investigations, and in the force in which I serve in, response officers now "carry" crimes up to and including "non-complex" GBH, robbery, and burglary cases, which used to be handled by CID. It's not unusual for a response officer to be carrying 5-10 crime reports AND be expected to deal with 999 and non-emergency calls. Then there's the fact my team is now under half the strength it used to be (Usually 10 per shift, down from 25).

Should that incident of arson get the investigation it deserves? Absolutely, but policing in this country has been totally crippled and people need to either accept that or vote in a government that take crime seriously.

We all agree that murders and violence takes priority, but when they do have time for the little things they are only interested in the things where they can knock on a door and get someone to admit to something they, the police, otherwise couldn't prove. Rather than going out to investigate something that requires them to knock on doors and check for CCTV and then hunt the perpetrator down.

Haggisman · 30 Oct 2018 at 23:59

Caracus2k said:
Well both the police conducting directed surveliance without the appropriate authority and people 'taking matters into their own hands' are not legal means of going about things for good reason I would suggest.

That it's not legal is moot if the police aren't able to/interested in dealing with it

Soviet · 31 Oct 2018 at 08:06

LeeUK said:
We all agree that murders and violence takes priority, but when they do have time for the little things they are only interested in the things where they can knock on a door and get someone to admit to something they, the police, otherwise couldn't prove. Rather than going out to investigate something that requires them to knock on doors and check for CCTV and then hunt the perpetrator down.

Sorry but that's complete rubbish. Officers don't get any extra payment or even praise for gaining a 'detection' so don't prioritise such a thing over anything else. It took me two weeks just to collect CCTV for a theft because I kept getting diverted to deal with more pressing issues.

Quite simply, there just aren't enough officers.

TheVoice · 31 Oct 2018 at 12:59

LeeUK said:
We all agree that murders and violence takes priority, but when they do have time for the little things they are only interested in the things where they can knock on a door and get someone to admit to something they, the police, otherwise couldn't prove. Rather than going out to investigate something that requires them to knock on doors and check for CCTV and then hunt the perpetrator down.

Genuine question: where does this perception of modern-day policing actually come from? In reality it really couldn't be further from the truth, but I get the impression that people think that if enough people are saying it on message boards and social media then it must be true.

Soviet · 31 Oct 2018 at 13:16

TheVoice said:
Genuine question: where does this perception of modern-day policing actually come from? In reality it really couldn't be further from the truth, but I get the impression that people think that if enough people are saying it on message boards and social media then it must be true.

Sadly it's akin to crap peddled by rags like the Daily Mail (only ever reporting half a story or just plain fabrication). People seem convinced that all police do is either sit and hide with speed guns or scan social media for "hurty words" None of which I've ever done in my career. It's an uneducated opinion best ignored.

Semple · 31 Oct 2018 at 13:42

Frankly if people stopped getting beyond wasted at the weekend, and getting high on a variety of substances, the police would have more than enough time to investigate theft crimes etc.

The amount of police shows i've watched where the police have turned up because two drunken blokes have had a bit of a tit for tat is beyond ridiculous. It's essentially wasting police time, and i'd love to see courts actually dish out fines to these people to recoup the costs for wasting police time. You want to go out and get hammered and get into a fight, then you've gotta pay for it.

Karl · 31 Oct 2018 at 14:03

PiKe said:
Work colleague's brother had his phone stolen last night, he knows exactly where it is because of find my iPhone, called 101 but they just gave him a crime reference number and they aren't even going to bother going to look at the address it says its at.

Why?!

I once went on a ride-along with a police force, and one of the first callouts they had was that dispatch had the iCloud account details of the stolen phone, and we went in a squad car to an address that turned out to be the home of a local taxi driver, who readily turned the phone over when they knocked on his door and spoke to him about it. This was quite a few years ago, but there is a recorded instance of the police doing something about it when they have the resource

cadmunkey · 31 Oct 2018 at 14:11

chrcoluk said:
So there is no risk to an individual to go to a thief's house to reclaim their property?

Rewinding a bit, this is actually a VERY good point. Burnsy, how do the police view citizens going around to take back their property? Will they care if things got a little out of hand, or wouldn't they even have the time to follow that up either? Personally, I'd have already gone round and got it back.

Thekwango · 31 Oct 2018 at 14:18

cadmunkey said:
Personally, I'd have already gone round and got it back.

with a group of the lads or solo with the keyboard?

Burnsy2023 · 31 Oct 2018 at 14:21

cadmunkey said:
Rewinding a bit, this is actually a VERY good point. Burnsy, how do the police view citizens going around to take back their property? Will they care if things got a little out of hand, or wouldn't they even have the time to follow that up either? Personally, I'd have already gone round and got it back.

It's rather dependant on the circumstances.

cadmunkey · 31 Oct 2018 at 23:48

Thekwango said:
with a group of the lads or solo with the keyboard?

It’s ok, I realise some of you weight 6 stone wet through and still live with mum. Don’t be ashamed.

Thekwango · 31 Oct 2018 at 23:59

cadmunkey said:
It’s ok, I realise some of you weight 6 stone wet through and still live with mum. Don’t be ashamed.

So keyboard in hand then.

Diddums · 1 Nov 2018 at 06:07

cadmunkey said:
It’s ok, I realise some of you weight 6 stone wet through and still live with mum. Don’t be ashamed.

Weigh*

Look, I'm sure you're a well 'ard tough lad who's not to be messed with, but here in the real world most of us have moved on from resorting to violence to achieve our goals in life. We tend to prefer intelligence. If you're not familiar with the term I wouldn't worry, some have it, some don't. Nothing to be ashamed about.

Martynt74 · 1 Nov 2018 at 10:31

I'm enjoying your posts at the moment diddums they make me smile. Then i feel sad that they're coming from sad circumstances

Diddums · 1 Nov 2018 at 10:36

Marvt74 said:
I'm enjoying your posts at the moment diddums they make me smile. Then i feel sad that they're coming from sad circumstances

Thanks fella <3

The circumstances are only as sad as we allow them to get and we're both a lot stronger than that so the mood is fairly chipper to be honest. I think the biopsy has given us that next glimmer of hope, the results will be made available on the 29th of November so until then it's chin up and crack on. We'll re-address once we know more

Martynt74 · 1 Nov 2018 at 10:40

Yeah i agree, my wife recently had an MRI on a suspected slipped disc only to find out it's permanent nerve damage and there's no remedy to that other than pain management

cadmunkey · 1 Nov 2018 at 13:00

Burnsy2023 said:
It's rather dependant on the circumstances.

I notice a story on the BBC thats relevant to this thread, its good to see a senior officer come out and basically say the force needs to prioritise, but Burnsy, look at the comments and see how the majority of the public view the police. Its very sad to see and someone should have issued a statement a long time ago.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46053069