Soldato
You do realise that BME includes those of Middle Eastern origin, most of whom aren't black?
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You do realise that BME includes those of Middle Eastern origin, most of whom aren't black?
Soldato
I know, it was a bit tongue in cheek lol. I'm all for equality and zero discrimination because I am often discriminated against I'm sure, but with all the bumph about celebrating this and that it erodes away at the real issue. Words become meaningless because they are overused.
Times change and we evolve in our understanding. Hopefully....
Ps yes it is discrimation I guess but when skin colour is directly involved what does it become?
That is probably for the whole of the UK and not for newcastle. Where i suspect it is significantly lower.
Caporegime
Incorrect. It's for Newcastle.
Soldato
Soldato
Doesn't talk about school age distribution though.
Soldato
No but a fair bit more accurate than including everyone not white
Man of Honour
There's absolutely people who can't afford to go to university, I wouldn't have been able to attend without getting a part time job.
Soldato
You do need help to go to university. The prices to eat there are extortionate because captive audience....
Food, drink, clothes, essentials and books etc are not free.
Soldato
Yes. And some places e.g. Oxford have a policy that you can't work while studying there.
Not sure if it is still the case. But in the past Oxbridge collages (Possibly some other old Universities too) actually had a minimum attendance at "Hall" (Meals in the collage dining hall) as a necessary qualification for being awarded your degree.
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That's why I question marked him.....
My friend was working part time to make ends meet at uni. He wasn't exactly a big party goer either but things need replacing EG his pc broke.
There are also a lot of students who receive additional financial help from their parents.
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100% agree with everything in this thread.
Soldato
I couldn’t imagine that. Sorry child genius, you can’t graduate with your 1st in theoretical physics because you ate out at Greggs too often.
Soldato
Circular discussion going on here. There's a way to rationalise this situation, by using the word conditional.
As we are talking about university stuff essentially, everyone is familiar with the principle of a conditional offer. e.g. If you achieve grades ABC, then you will receive a place on course XYZ. So in this example the grades are the condition (note, I'm talking about how things used to be, and how they should be obviously - not unconditional offers to fund the business of education).
And 'grades' are objective facts, numbers - data if you will. You know, things that the left and cultural Marxists like to gloss over. These grades are essentially open to anyone. Any human being can get a grade. It might be an A if you're clever. It might be an E if you're not, or a complete fail if you're just built that way shall we say. Whether it is an A, E or a U is irrelevant though. The key fact being 'the hypothetical grade' is nothing to do with race, colour, sexuality, or anything else that will excite the SJW's.
In the example of a 'Stormzy scholarship' (can't quite believe I'm writing those 2 words and not ******* myself), then the 'condition' we are talking about is not an objective thing like a 'grade'. It is one thing and one thing only
i.e. the condition to receive the scholarship is that you are black.
Not poor. Not 'disadvantaged'. Not even BME for god's sake. Not white (obvioulsy!). Black, and black only. At the very least, by its very definition this is discriminatory. It could also be very strongly argued that it's racist, but as this word has lost all meaning today I can't see the point using the term.
As we are talking about university stuff essentially, everyone is familiar with the principle of a conditional offer. e.g. If you achieve grades ABC, then you will receive a place on course XYZ. So in this example the grades are the condition (note, I'm talking about how things used to be, and how they should be obviously - not unconditional offers to fund the business of education).
And 'grades' are objective facts, numbers - data if you will. You know, things that the left and cultural Marxists like to gloss over. These grades are essentially open to anyone. Any human being can get a grade. It might be an A if you're clever. It might be an E if you're not, or a complete fail if you're just built that way shall we say. Whether it is an A, E or a U is irrelevant though. The key fact being 'the hypothetical grade' is nothing to do with race, colour, sexuality, or anything else that will excite the SJW's.
In the example of a 'Stormzy scholarship' (can't quite believe I'm writing those 2 words and not ******* myself), then the 'condition' we are talking about is not an objective thing like a 'grade'. It is one thing and one thing only
i.e. the condition to receive the scholarship is that you are black.
Not poor. Not 'disadvantaged'. Not even BME for god's sake. Not white (obvioulsy!). Black, and black only. At the very least, by its very definition this is discriminatory. It could also be very strongly argued that it's racist, but as this word has lost all meaning today I can't see the point using the term.
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It would, unfortunately some people do and just ignoring it isn’t going to make issues go away.
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It's fashionable irrational prejudice and discrimination, so it's OK. That's always been true. The fashions change, but the idea remains the same.
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There used to be widespread positive discrimination for white people during the 60s and 70s. I think that was called something else though.
Soldato
I'm half black so I can see your side and actually agree that stormzy is being racist about this
Soldato
And you would have thought we'd have learned from our mistakes.....
In the 60s and 70s people were racist (see below).
If a white person starts a white only scholarship, that's discrimination right and not racism?
The definition of racism is a belief ones race is superior to another, so they are technically right - it's discrimination.