Suarez

[DiCe!]

Ok guys, I think you have basically summed my point up about the complex you have, Ill leave you to it as quite frankly I think its laughable.

And as for supporting a friend and colleague, the club put out a statement "everyone at liverpool" Is all that needed to be said. Not bloody Tshirts. Classless.

 

[grimm]

Do you understand what you just said? So would you feel it was right if the judicial system worked in the correct way?

Lets say you were on trial for murder and the CPS said 'you're guilty' without letting you have a defence lawyer or evidence presented. You can clear your name during appeal.

Then the next day Newspapers like the The Sun and so forth come out and say ''MURDERER! MAN CHARGED WITH 'XYZ' MURDER!"

How would you feel about that?

It just goes to show how inept and wrong the FA's system is. It makes people look bad when they may not even be guilty. It lays the blame before hearing the story, its beyond the realms of retardation to put it bluntly and unfortunately in this country, the FA, does employ a lot of retards.

Suarez in the FA's eyes is guilty yes, but thats because their system is wrong. From a moral stance, if you have morals and are understanding of the FA's system, you'd realise the case isn't really over yet and no actual verdict should have been given. If this was a court of law, we'd still be none the wiser. Yet as this is the FA, an incompetent organisation, they do everything the wrong way around.

So Suarez may be guilty, he may not, but morally, until the appeal process is over, only a retard who doesn't understand the FA's way of doing things would pass judgement.

How can you close a case without hearing the other side of the argument? You can't to be perfectly honest. Even with a murder the defence prosecution may have perfect grounds to defend their client by using self defence.

That is all I have to say. People are getting irate about the issue and think its a closed matter but quite frankly the case has only just begun. Far too many people are getting drawn into the FA's idiocy and more fool them. Its not the first time in history donkeys have gone with the group.

I didn't say any of that, you're just putting words into my mouth so to speak.

All I did was comment on your wording, and based on what you had written, which was that under the FA ruling he is guilty until proven innocent, and he has not been proven innocent (yet), therefore he is guilty at the present time.

 

[Alpherah]

Ok guys, I think you have basically summed my point up about the complex you have, Ill leave you to it as quite frankly I think its laughable.

And as for supporting a friend and colleague, the club put out a statement "everyone at liverpool" Is all that needed to be said. Not bloody Tshirts. Classless.

Its not a ******* complex when the club comes out and tells us the trial was unfair, really is it?
Now you might disagree with the club, but considering you haven't seen the evidence, and they have, i know who I'm going to believe
Thanks for trying to look big though.

 

[grimm]

The T-Shirts made it look like a stag do or something lol

 

[Tummy]

Its not a ******* complex when the club comes out and tells us the trial was unfair, really is it?
Now you might disagree with the club, but considering you haven't seen the evidence, and they have, i know who I'm going to believe
Thanks for trying to look big though.

You haven't seen the evidence either?

It's basically Liverpool fans believing the club (I thought their statement was lolworthy) over the FA and everyone else believing the FA. Personally I'm waiting for the commission to release their findings before I make any solid conclusions.

The appeal isn't going to change the verdict, I thought it could only get the ban decreased?

 

[Alpherah]

The appeal isn't going to change the verdict, I thought it could only get the ban decreased?

Which is why it will be going through the courts, imo.
A ban means nothing, really. There's much more at stake for the player and his family.

You might believe the statement was lolworthy, but its not the kind of thing any club would come out and say willy nilly.

-edit-
The press reaction is also .. sigh
SSN this morning? one second "JT's right to remain captain of England, I'm sure this off field stuff won't effect him in the slightest"

Same guy, 10 mins later
"To be honest, Suarez needs locking up and Liverpool are a disgrace for coming out in support"

 

[Tummy]

Which is why it will be going through the courts, imo.
A ban means nothing, really. There's much more at stake for the player and his family.

You might believe the statement was lolworthy, but its not the kind of thing any club would come out and say willy nilly.

I think whomever put the statement out needs to have someone have a word with them in all honesty.

Will dragging this out further through the courts with no 100% chance of getting the verdict or ban over turned be worth it for the player?

If it's then proved in another court higher up that they agree with the FA then what of it?

 

[Tummy]

Terry is to be charged by the police is he not?

I'd (hope more then thought) thought that he'd get a similar ban in length at the very least and stripped of the England captaincy. After all the complaining and campaigning that the FA and English press have done in regards to the treatment of English players abroad who've received racist chants, for them and the press to not take Terry all the way over this is basically ****ing horrible.

 

[Alpherah]

I think whomever put the statement out needs to have someone have a word with them in all honesty.

Will dragging this out further through the courts with no 100% chance of getting the verdict or ban over turned be worth it for the player?

If it's then proved in another court higher up that they agree with the FA then what of it?

It wouldn't be the UK high court, it would be the CAS which i believe is a (french?) european court.
And again, its not about the ban being overturned, its about the fact the FA said in the hearing "Suarez is not racist", and then some 3 hours after it finishing issuing a statement which basically says "Suarez is racist".
Why shouldn't the player and the club do everything possible to try and clear his name?

Terry is to be charged by the police is he not?

I'd (hope more then thought) thought that he'd get a similar ban in length at the very least and stripped of the England captaincy. After all the complaining and campaigning that the FA and English press have done in regards to the treatment of English players abroad who've received racist chants, for them and the press to not take Terry all the way over this is basically ****ing horrible.

Yeah, 250k, and knowing the way our press and FA turn a blind eye to the failings of our home grown players (Defoe biting Mascherano in 06 anyone?) i expect that will be the end of it.

 

[DiCe!]

Its not a ******* complex when the club comes out and tells us the trial was unfair, really is it?
Now you might disagree with the club, but considering you haven't seen the evidence, and they have, i know who I'm going to believe
Thanks for trying to look big though.

*sigh* You and your edits

Im not trying to "look big" I'm trying to get my point across, heaven forbid.

 

[Alpherah]

*sigh* You and your edits

Im not trying to "look big" I'm trying to get my point across, heaven forbid.

You point seems to be calling LFC and all its fans some paranoid collective on a wannabe power trip because we choose to believe that, considering the strong statement our club issued, a type of statement which is pretty much unheard of, our player was treated unfairly.

The Times report they have been informed that the 'documents' won't be made available to LFC until the third week in Jan, which stinks a bit.
Although the good news is that the appeal window won't start until this date, so Suarez will be available through all our Jan/Feb tougher games.

 

[grimm]

"Why Always Me?" - Mario Balotelli (2011)

 

[Nyvo]

The Times report they have been informed that the 'documents' won't be made available to LFC until the third week in Jan, which stinks a bit.
Although the good news is that the appeal window won't start until this date, so Suarez will be available through all our Jan/Feb tougher games.

Shocking if true. Considering the impact of their decision on both LFC and Suarez, it is completely unprofessional and unacceptable of the FA to make the club and player wait another 3 weeks for the reasoning and any potential evidence related to how they arrived at the decision that they made.

If they had enough evidence to issue the ban and the statement that they did, then they have enough evidence to release it to LFC without having to wait weeks for it.

 

[Tummy]

It's Christmas the FA are having time off!

 

[FrankJH]

Its also being said that Evra called Suarez in spanish a word which is (in Spanish), without being able to say the word here, a derogatory term for someone of Pakistani origin, yet thats okay.
Suarez says something in south american spanish, which isn't even offensive in that language, and gets the book thrown at him.

So I call you black (when you are clearly white) and thats offensive - yet being called negro (or a derivative) of an OBVIOUSLY offensive word isnt bad at all

hmmmm I think your logic is twisted slightly

(Im not saying Evra should use any language like that - but something that is OBVIOUSLY not actually true should have no offensive quality at all)

I also find it hard to believe that the papers have not been full of players Saurez has used the word against in the 3 years he has been in Europe (and they didnt take offence at) - as this is the case, it seems like the word was used specifcally at Evra to incite something

The Times report they have been informed that the 'documents' won't be made available to LFC until the third week in Jan, which stinks a bit.
Although the good news is that the appeal window won't start until this date, so Suarez will be available through all our Jan/Feb tougher games.

Five live commentary of the games last night suggested 2 -3 DAYS before paperwork would be available (and even then it was 3 days from the FA /Ban announcement) I sincerely hope the Times is completely wrong as that is far too long a period


Dont care who the player is , this kind of incitement HAS to have a long ban, 8 games is actually quite short (and likely to get shorter under appeal) - an immediate ban for the rest of the season would REALLY put a marker down , but then the FA would have to be worth a **** to do something that tough.

 

[BaZ87]

Liverpool basically told the FA to do one, If they want to appeal they appeal you dont wear T-shirts throwing it back in the FA's face! Idiots.

Hope the FA come down hard on them

What? Wearing a t-shirt to show support for a teammate is an attack on the FA? Why isn't it simply support for a teammate?

I personally didn't think the t-shirt wasn't needed and their statement was enough but not because it was an attack on the FA, but because it would just give ammo to other fans in their attempts at scoring points (lets be honest most people (on both sides) commenting on this have no interest in the actual case, it's about scoring points).

 

[DiCe!]

What? Wearing a t-shirt to show support for a teammate is an attack on the FA? Why isn't it simply support for a teammate?

I personally didn't think the t-shirt wasn't needed and their statement was enough but not because it was an attack on the FA, but because it would just give ammo to other fans in their attempts at scoring points (lets be honest most people (on both sides) commenting on this have no interest in the actual case, it's about scoring points).

Its a visible two fingers up imo. A well worded statement would have done so much more than the silly T-shorts.

 

[Tummy]

What? Wearing a t-shirt to show support for a teammate is an attack on the FA? Why isn't it simply support for a teammate?

I personally didn't think the t-shirt wasn't needed and their statement was enough but not because it was an attack on the FA, but because it would just give ammo to other fans in their attempts at scoring points (lets be honest most people (on both sides) commenting on this have no interest in the actual case, it's about scoring points).

I'm interested in the case, I'm saving my point scoring for the Terry case

 

[FrankJH]

What? Wearing a t-shirt to show support for a teammate is an attack on the FA? Why isn't it simply support for a teammate?

I personally didn't think the t-shirt wasn't needed and their statement was enough but not because it was an attack on the FA, but because it would just give ammo to other fans in their attempts at scoring points (lets be honest most people (on both sides) commenting on this have no interest in the actual case, it's about scoring points).

When Liverpool are playing so dreadfully WITH Suarez available, rival fans dont have to score any points

I'm interested in the case, I'm saving my point scoring for the Terry case

CPS case will be "won" by Terry, and the FA will announce "no further action"

 

[BaZ87]

Its a visible two fingers up imo. A well worded statement would have done so much more than the silly T-shorts.

A statement making it clear that they believe the outcome of the hearing was wrong (which they issued) is more of an attack on the FA than a t-shirt with Suarez's picture on.

As I said, I don't think the t-shrts were needed. I am however glad the club are sticking together through this.

edit: @Frank, sorry was that meant to be a joke?