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Nyvo said:
Without the released documents from the FA all of this is just speculation, but the consensus is that Evra initiated a conversation insulting Suarez (insulting Suarez's South American origin), in spanish. Suarez responded in spanish. Is saying negro, or a derivative, in that context OBVIOUSLY offensive? No, it's not.
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As I said previously I dont agree with whats said, but I cant see anything actually offensive with calling someone obviously not from a certain background something relating to that. There is NO relation between pakistani and South american to get offended about

Calling someone negro who obviously IS one, yes of course thats offensive

Tombstone said:
Oh I dont know, one of the best goalkeepers in the league, best defensive record in the league, higher placed than at this stage last season, and already almost equalled the tally of away points this season as was made in the whole of last season. I'd say they are doing ok :) , just need to stop hitting the woodwork.

(now if we had only bought Keisuke Honda like I suggested :p)
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Fair point - but a lot of your actual performances have been a bit meh as well as just some results. (:



I personally think most supporters would be surprised if the club didnt stand by a player in this kind of situation, just from a fellow human being point of view without considering the huge amount of investment put into most players these days by their club. There does come a time however when yet another club release about the same incident causes more harm than good to the point its "yet another club release relating to x from 3 months ago"
 
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FrankJH said:
Calling someone negro who obviously IS one, yes of course thats offensive
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You do know that the word for the colour black in spanish is negro/negra, so it is not an offensive word. If it is, then all spanish people are racist :D

If i was to call you white (blanco) does that make me racist?

just saying....
 
So even the Liverpool fans who are now speculating Suarez did in fact say something after all still think it's all Evra's fault? You couldn't make it up :p
 
sighs - ok pont taken, but its splitting hairs slightly

Im just saying I wouldnt be offended by someone I did or didnt know calling Me pakistani, or some insult relating to that - its just laughable. The same phrase used ot a pakistani however.......


Naan_H said:
You do know that the word for the colour black in spanish is negro/negra, so it is not an offensive word. If it is, then all spanish people are racist :D

If i was to call you white (blanco) does that make me racist?
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Depends on the tone, context its said in - but also saying "little" to an equal can be seen as patronising also

Quite funny you mentioned Spain, which DOES have a huge racist issue (as a lot of the England team found when playing there, amongst other times)

Depends where you come from I guess - if you are white also then I would say not, however strictly speaking it is a racist comment
 
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Tom84 said:
So even the Liverpool fans who are now speculating Suarez did in fact say something after all still think it's all Evra's fault? You couldn't make it up :p
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Would those be people that are also speculating that Evra abused Suarez first, which has been suggested in the reports that claim Suarez's admission to saying something?

And can I just point out that Frank called Evra a negro :o
 
Tom84 said:
I'm not sure if that even makes sense :p
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Ok, I'll spell it out.

You claimed that you couldn't make up the fact that some people are still blaming Evra despite speculating that Suarez has said something to Evra. If those people are also speculating that Evra insulted Suarez first (which has been speculated in several articles) then it's perfectly feasibly that they'd still believe the incident was Evra's fault.
 
as opposed to someone of French / African decent......can see that being used often (when no-one can agree on anything all people of that decent like to be called, let alone anyone of the wider racial background)

BaZ87 said:
You claimed that you couldn't make up the fact that some people are still blaming Evra despite speculating that Suarez has said something to Evra. If those people are also speculating that Evra insulted Suarez first (which has been speculated in several articles) then it's perfectly feasibly that they'd still believe the incident was Evra's fault.
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rightly or wrongly one has been proven to be factually correct, the other is just gossip at the current time
 
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BaZ87 said:
Ok, I'll spell it out.

You claimed that you couldn't make up the fact that some people are still blaming Evra despite speculating that Suarez has said something to Evra. If those people are also speculating that Evra insulted Suarez first (which has been speculated in several articles) then it's perfectly feasibly that they'd still believe the incident was Evra's fault.
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Well that's where we'll have to disagree because I dont think it's perfectly feasible to think that way :p
 
FrankJH said:
rightly or wrongly one has been proven to be factually correct, the other is just gossip at the current time
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As Tom said, we're talking about people that are speculating. People that are speculating about one thing, could very well be speculating about another.

And whether one thing has been proven, that doesn't mean that people will disbelieve the other thing and as such may still believe it's Evra's fault.
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Well that's where we'll have to disagree because I dont think it's perfectly feasible to think that way :p
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I've known for a long time (and we've discussed it many times before) that you don't think it's acceptable for somebody to speculate, based on newspaper reports, anything that could possibly be seen as anti-Utd, but if it's pro-Utd or anti-any team you don't like, it's fine :p
 
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It's not that, I'd just like to think that anyone who's willing to accept that Suarez did say something a little naughty wouldn't retort though with the age old 'he started it argument'

If it did play out that Evra did 'start it' I personally dont think that excuses what Suarez says in reply. Just tell him to **** off or call him a **** instead :p *

*this being based on my opinion that the whole lost in translation argument is utter balls
 
Some of what's being speculated is that Evra may have called Suarez something equally as naughty as anything Suarez may have called Evra. If that is the case then while both would be in the wrong, the person that started the slanging match would be more at fault I'd have thought?
 
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To be honest at this juncture I dont think there's any room any more for speculation, it's pretty simple from what I can gather;

Evra's reported Suarez to the FA for saying something he deemed to be racist
The FA have spoken to Suarez and ultimately charged him

Surely had Evra been racist himself at any point (whether it be the beginning, middle or end of their spat) Suarez would have reported him likewise (or at least brought it up during his hearing)? As things stand though there's no indication that the FA are going to have a word with Evra let alone charge him with anything.

Pointless speculation is what I'd call that then :p
 
Tom84 said:
To be honest at this juncture I dont think there's any room any more for speculation and I'll post something completely different and irrelavent to my post you responded to.
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Ok ;)

And whether Suarez would or wouldn't have reported Evra for anything he may have said. According to LFC's statement, Evra admitted to insulting Suarez (no idea what he's admitted to saying) and that Suarez hadn't even complained about it. Some people have different levels of tolerance to abuse.
 
BaZ87 said:
Ok ;)

And whether Suarez would or wouldn't have reported Evra for anything he may have said. According to LFC's statement, Evra admitted to insulting Suarez (no idea what he's admitted to saying) and that Suarez hadn't even complained about it. Some people have different levels of tolerance to abuse.
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Had it been something racist though surely we can assume the FA's designated panel would have put it on there 'to do list' as something they need to look into?

And what I posted was relevant to what you said seeing as I'm dismissing all speculation at this point and it was speculation that was the bulk of your previous argument :p
 
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If he admitted to saying something racist then you'd hope so. That wasn't my point though. I was simply highlighting that some people are more tolerant to abuse and may not complained regardless of what may have been said to them.

And you're now dismissing all speculation but your original post that I replied to was about people basing their opinion on speculation :/
 
Would it have helped if you had lead with a completely different argument? Well it probably would have helped if you didn't ridicule people for believing one piece of speculation and ignored the possibility that they believed the rest of the speculation.

You and your selective speculation :p
 
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