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Remote chance of 4th? We're an whole 3 points behind Chelsea and (touch wood) about to welcome Gerrard back to full fitness.
OK wasn't aware of that, they better hope the postie isn't slacking off cos they could really do with the ban starting after the MC game on 3rd Jan but before the Oldham game on the 6th.

If Suarez/Liverpool wanted to, they could inform the FA that they won't appeal the ban even before receiving the QC's report and the ban would begin straight away.
 
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But you're not as good as Chelsea or Arsenal, big ask to finish above both of those

Yet we're keeping well within touching distance and had we had even the smallest bit of luck, we'd be ahead of them both at this point.

I'm not sure we can do much worse than we have so both Chelsea and Arsenal are going to have to up their games.
 
I dunno about the Carling Cup, even with Suarez they should be getting beat over 2 legs whereas league matches against the likes of MU, Everton and Arsenal (the 3 league fixtures after the ones I quoted above) he could make a real difference in. 6th Jan seems optimal date to start a ban IMO because that means some of the ban gets eaten up with:

Oldham
FA Cup 4th round - on average should be an 'easy' game
Wolves
Bolton
Stoke

If it were me I'd be tempted to just suck up the ban because the way the fixtures have fallen he could have a nice rest and then come back refreshed and chomping at the bit for those 3 key league matches, also by not appealing it takes away some of the distractions and just lets them get on with it. If Liverpool can't cope without him against that sort of opposition then they may as well give up now.

Then again with it being quite a lengthy ban Liverpool may fancy their chances on appeal of getting a few games knocked off, not too sure what the process would be for an appeal, for standard disciplinary hearings the FA has got a lot faster of late but this sort of thing is a bit off the wall and could drag on a while.
 
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If Liverpool can't cope without him against that sort of opposition then they may as well give up now.

They cant handle that level of opposition with him at the moment :p

Also from what I gather any appeal is just as likely to extend the ban as reduce it due to a new 3 man panel having to be assembled etc
 
Unless you plan on scoring two own goals I can't see that happening.
Regardless of your 'dip' in form:

2010/11: Lost 0-3
2008/09: Lost 0-3
2007/08: Lost 0-3
2006/07: Lost 0-2
2005/06: Lost 0-2
2004/05: Lost 1-3 Kluivert
2003/04: Drew 1-1 Ameobi
2003/04: Lost 1-2 Robert (FAC)
2002/03: Drew 2-2 Speed, Shearer
2001/02: Lost 0-3
2000/01: Lost 0-3

Need I say more...
 
Regardless of your 'dip' in form:

2010/11: Lost 0-3
2008/09: Lost 0-3
2007/08: Lost 0-3
2006/07: Lost 0-2
2005/06: Lost 0-2
2004/05: Lost 1-3 Kluivert
2003/04: Drew 1-1 Ameobi
2003/04: Lost 1-2 Robert (FAC)
2002/03: Drew 2-2 Speed, Shearer
2001/02: Lost 0-3
2000/01: Lost 0-3

Need I say more...

Please don't, you've jynxd any luck we may have actually had now i bet :(
 
Yet we're keeping well within touching distance and had we had even the smallest bit of luck, we'd be ahead of them both at this point.

I'm not sure we can do much worse than we have so both Chelsea and Arsenal are going to have to up their games.

And may i add that we have already won against those two away from home this season.
Tom84 is amazing sometimes wasn't he the one that argued with you Baz87 that the only game we drew that we deserved to win was the one against Man C.
 
So when its that loser Terry getting his 8 match ban?

Won't get a thing is my bet as it will be dealt with by the CPS, so the FA will wash their hands..can't have Mr Engerlund get a ban now can we..

Mind you, I'm awaiting the fine Wolves and Arsenal will surely be getting for not controlling their players after the recent game.
 
And may i add that we have already won against those two away from home this season.
Tom84 is amazing sometimes wasn't he the one that argued with you Baz87 that the only game we drew that we deserved to win was the one against Man C.

Yeah and your point being? That's exactly Liverpool's problem, perform in the big games but fail in the lesser games. Baz says it's Arsenal and Chelsea that need to up their game but I think the exact opposite it's Liverpool if anyone that's the team that needs to up their game (something that wont be helped by losing your best player for 8 games)

I can understand you lot being a bit sensitive about someone saying you're not good enough but if all 3 teams maintain their current points ratio then Liverpool will finish below both Arsenal and Chelsea that's simply a fact. Not to mention for Liverpool to finish 4th you need 2 teams both of whom have finished in the top 4 consistently for god knows how many years to finish 5th and 6th it's not that hard to grasp that that's a huge ask is it.
 
What is hard to understand is you really "over worry" about us. A three point difference in Jan doesn't make us as hopeless as you seem to present it.
And i think Arsenal and Chelsea are equally not looking good because if they were then they would be miles ahead of us.

The point is if we draw against Wigan then no hope for us making 4th but if Chelsea draws with the same wigan then its still ok if arsenal draw with Wolves then its still ok.

I think some times you confuse what you wish for us with the reality (which is normal for every fan) the same way i now days see every Spurs away game ending in a draw
 
It's not the points difference which makes me think you won't finish 4th its that my opinion is that Liverpool simply aren't as good as Arsenal or Chelsea and finishing ahead of two teams that always finish in the top 4 is unlikely (as it is it seems one of them won't finish top 4 due to Spurs, very unlikely IMO for them both to miss out)

I said it before if it was between Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea for 3rd and 4th things would be different but its not, it's all 3 teams fighting for one spot. You all but said it yourself you need a second half collapse by Spurs which at this point looks unlikely....
 
It's not the points difference which makes me think you won't finish 4th its that my opinion is that Liverpool simply aren't as good as Arsenal or Chelsea and finishing ahead of two teams that always finish in the top 4 is unlikely (as it is it seems one of them won't finish top 4 due to Spurs, very unlikely IMO for them both to miss out)

I said it before if it was between Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea for 3rd and 4th things would be different but its not, it's all 3 teams fighting for one spot. You all but said it yourself you need a second half collapse by Spurs which at this point looks unlikely....

Personally think your logic is wrong here

I would go along with this if it was August, and no one would expect (or dream) that Spurs would be flying so high with nigh on 1/2 the season gone, so your point that its very unlikely that both Arsenal and Chelsea would both miss out (esp given Chelsea's strengthening over the summer) would hold true.

The logic, imo, breaks down once we "know" (or is fair to presume) that Spurs are more than likely to take one of the spots - so the odds fall drastically that the two other london clubs will fail , and imo the odds fall further because all three clubs are so close points wise after 18 games.

Its by no means definite that Liverpool will get the last CL place, of course not, and if you had Arsenal's attack (esp RVP) with Liverpool's defence, they would probably be giving the Manchester clubs a run for their money (thank god that isnt happening lol).

Its fair to say within a not too surprising single weekend they could easily be completely level on points (and yes, just as unsurprisingly , there could also be a 6 point difference with Arsenal "top")

After the jan window closes (because no one knows how much Chelsea and Liverpool are going to spend ) without major spending happening I would put money on the gap between all three clubs being similar to what it is now in May
 
You're basically saying then that because (lets say for arguments sake) Arsenal fail to finish outside of the top 4 for the first time in years there's just as much chance of Chelsea doing likewise.....

Whereas for me it's the total opposite, it's the same situation when people analyse the title race and the third teams hopes i.e. They're not just relying on one team to slip up they're relying on two teams

I just think its far too big an ask for both Arsenal and Chelsea both of whom know how to finish in the top 4 to both fall short, because of Spurs form it looks like one will regardless but IMO it's too much to ask for both of them to throw away that experience
 
To be fair no one has a clue who will take 3rd/4th, if we actually bothered to put the ball either side of the keepers arms and not at the post we'd probably be coasting third like spurs and looking unstoppable, we could easily stop creating all these chances and still be going at the same PPG, Chelsea/Arsenal could do much worse than currently or much better, realistically it's completely wide open.

No one remember 08/09 where villa were miles ahead of arsenal in February for fourth but finished well behind iirc, anything can happen.
In losing Suarez we could somehow start banging them in (not a chance in hell that'll happen though.)

We knew how to finish fourth perfectly fine Tom, we showed how to drop to 7th perfectly well ;D
 
You're basically saying then that because (lets say for arguments sake) Arsenal fail to finish outside of the top 4 for the first time in years there's just as much chance of Chelsea doing likewise.....

Whereas for me it's the total opposite, it's the same situation when people analyse the title race and the third teams hopes i.e. They're not just relying on one team to slip up they're relying on two teams

I just think its far too big an ask for both Arsenal and Chelsea both of whom know how to finish in the top 4 to both fall short, because of Spurs form it looks like one will regardless but IMO it's too much to ask for both of them to throw away that experience

But remember arsenal (for your arguements sake) didnt have to compete with two "extra " teams before either (in City and Spurs), there was Spurs once before , 2 seasons ago?, and City last season, but otherwise its been pretty predictable (without any serious investment needed to keep their place) what the top four will likely look like.

Serious investment by City practically gaurenteed top 2 or 3 position, however badly Utd do (given their record in EPL), thats another REALLY worst case 4th position

So even before Spurs brilliant run so far , Arsenal's and Chelsea's chances are 2/3 of what they would be normally (or cut by one available position), and Liverpool have spending power that was previously unavailable ( or maybe misguidedly spent)

Im not for one second saying I know for sure, but the scousers have a very good chance imo
 
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