Caporegime
I'd be surprised if something like that had remained hidden up this point though?
Summer Transfer Thread 2018
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It's not a secret that he had a serious knee injury but Liverpool wouldn't have known the exact state of his knee until they carried out the medical and done all the scans etc. If Liverpool have carried out a medical and aren't 100% happy that his knee has fully recovered then it makes perfect sense for them to either pull out of the deal or try to renegotiate it. You don't risk £50m + a £20-30m contract on a player who's knee could go pop at anytime.
We signed Chamberlain for 40 million and he misses 1 in 3.
No he doesn't. Very rough calculations, at worst he's missed 1 in 4 and that's mostly down to 1 serious injury 4 seasons ago. That's besides the point though - injuries can happen to anybody and while certain players may be more prone to injuries, it's mostly down to luck. However when medical experts are telling you that a player has serious long term damage (assuming that's the case) and the risk of that injury reoccurring is higher you'd be stupid to just go ahead with the deal as if nothing was wrong. We have a history of being more cautious than other clubs when it comes to medical results - we pulled out of deals for Remy and Marveaux because we weren't happy with their medicals so it's no surprise if we have pulled out/tried to renegotiate a deal worth £70-80m and if we went ahead with Ox then clearly his tests showed no long term damage or risk of recurring injuries, at least nothing serious enough to put us off.
As I saw somebody say, some of our fans would sign Heather Mills for £50m just for the sake of spending £50m.
If your playing in a world cup and played football for majority of the season it can't be that bad.
There must be more to it imo
In 5 years Chamberlain has had 9 serious injuries.
As above, it's a matter of risk. Yes, he might be fit now (although he did miss a 5-6 weeks with a knee injury earlier in the season) and he may go on to have a fairly injury free career but it's a gamble. If the odds are against you then it's a big risk to take that gamble.
What are you classing as serious? According to Transfermarkt, he's only ever missed more than 10 games with an injury twice in his career. Again, given how cautious we've been with far cheaper deals in the past (under the current ownership), you'd have to assume that there was no red flags during his medical. Or do you think they club have just decided for no good reason to mess about with what is supposed to be our main transfer target this summer and are normally happy to sign players they believe to be massive injury risks?
The interview is meaningless. The deal needed to be wrapped up by today for it to be done before the WC and it's very possible that Lyon gave us permission to do all that before even a deal with them was agreed, let alone medicals and the like were carried out. I guess over the next couple of days we'll start to hears some leaks from Liverpool's end as to what's gone wrong and whether there's any hope of the deal being revisited after the WC.
So apparently we were trying to change the deal due to the medical results, second opinion included, with a lower upfront cost and more on the back end bases on games played and Lyon weren't going for it at all. If he plays well at the WC and gets game time we could look very silly.
Could look silly that ship has sailed based on what's been said so far
Why if medical is suspecious do you do interview etc? Okay the leak may of been faked but look genuine enough to me, let's say it was genuine to do all that if medical is suspecious or off is stupid in itself and a waste of time for fekir, Liverpool staff.
I'm sure we will have alternatives anyway and considering mane and salah were alternatives to targets I do trust klopp.
Just this saga has had so many stories it doesn't add up that the medical is the reason
Because they were working towards a deadline to complete the deal before the World Cup and with France playing today, that basically meant everything had to be done by yesterday. What harm was there in sorting all his personal terms, a couple of pics and an interview while all the loose ends were being tied up?
If there is any doubts over his knees, then I dont want us signing him. Its one thing to seem physically fit in the French league but its another thing entirely playing at the pace and aggression of the EPL and in a team like Klopps Liverpool where so much hard graft is expected of every position. If there are any weaknesses in his knees/legs they may not become obvious in the Lyon/French league, but in the EPL and how we play they would surely come to the surface. We should stay away from the deal now ( IF the reasons are medical) and look at alternatives.
EPL is far more intense than the French league, which is usually ranked 4th-5th in Europe vs EPL/Spain /Germany/ Italy depending on where you look
I would be (mildly) surprised if Liverpool do a deal at all at this point, even for less money upfront.
They were looking at him for quite a while and so would have probably known about the knee (as its not a current injury) -so Im sure they would have thought internally "we will get Lyon to the table by offering £50m, but depending on risk of further injury to that knee...we might only offer x"
Of course "walking away completely" may well be a bargaining ploy involved in the above, but still might be a risk of someone else coming in instead.
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Caporegime
It’s risk vs reward. If Liverpool don’t think he is worth the money then they won’t offer it. If that’s because his knee is large ****** and their medical team thinks there is a strong chance it will give in then they would be stupid not to try and renegotiate.
You can’t predict the future but you can make an educated guess.hes not the only player out there so why risk 70/80m on a player your medical team say is a large risk. He might not come back after injury the same player either
You can’t predict the future but you can make an educated guess.hes not the only player out there so why risk 70/80m on a player your medical team say is a large risk. He might not come back after injury the same player either
I think it's going to be a few days before we start to hear what actually happened as there's so many conflicting reports. The Echo, who on Friday afternoon claimed we got a 2nd opinion on his knee and the deal was on, are now reporting that we pulled out of the deal Friday morning after his medical and seem to be suggesting that it was Lyon that tried to restructure the deal to satisfy us.
Soldato
Players don't fail medical's. There is no definitive pass or fail measure. The Player get's an assessment and the buying club then review the risk.