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City must have some decent signing up their sleeve. 81m, though, is some profit on Alvarez.
If you are going out on loan when you are 21+ then yeah you arent going to make it a club like ours which is why I think Carvalho will be sold even though he's been really impressive in preseason. The likes of Quansah and Bradley both had decent loan spells and they look better for it and have cemented their places in the 1st team squad-both were under 21 going out on loan thoPersonally I think both will be sold, different times and all that but seems that the days of a Robbie Fowler busting into the first team up front and playing regularly even though he's only 18 are gone. I'd love to see the statistics on how many players who go on loan are then kept by the owning team and how many are then sold, does feel like usually going on loan is just a prelude to being sold rather than getting playtime because the team wants to keep them
He wants out apparently, been chatter for quite a whileHuh, why are they selling him?
He was important last season for sureI don't think it'll affect them too much, Haaland will be first choice and City are happy enough playing without a striker if needed.
Alvarez is a good player but nothing that special really.
Yeah, Carvalho isnt going to break into this team. If you're on loan for 2 years, then you're obviously not in the teams plans. The reason why the likes of Fowler and Owen played near full seasons at 18yo, is because there is truth in the old adage that if you're good enough, you're old enough. If Carvalho is into his 20s and still out on loan then its been decided you're not good enough to be old enough. Sort of the same boat Nat Phillips found himself in, was going out on loan in his early 20s and now he's 27 and a hefty chunk of his career has passed him by.If you are going out on loan when you are 21+ then yeah you arent going to make it a club like ours which is why I think Carvalho will be sold even though he's been really impressive in preseason. The likes of Quansah and Bradley both had decent loan spells and they look better for it and have cemented their places in the 1st team squad-both were under 21 going out on loan tho
Only 5 months older than the Saliba situation...just sayingYeah, Carvalho isnt going to break into this team. If you're on loan for 2 years, then you're obviously not in the teams plans. The reason why the likes of Fowler and Owen played near full seasons at 18yo, is because there is truth in the old adage that if you're good enough, you're old enough. If Carvalho is into his 20s and still out on loan then its been decided you're not good enough to be old enough. Sort of the same boat Nat Phillips found himself in, was going out on loan in his early 20s and now he's 27 and a hefty chunk of his career has passed him by.
Er, you what?Only 5 months older than the Saliba situation...just saying
While I don't disagree regarding Carvalho not making it with us, I do disagree regarding your point about loans. Although many loans are just used to put young players, ultimately not good enough, in the shop window, we have seen a number of loans that have been used to develop players for our first team. Harvey Elliott went off to Blackburn, Quansah to Bristol Rovers and Bradley to Bolton and have come back as important members of the first team squad.Yeah, Carvalho isnt going to break into this team. If you're on loan for 2 years, then you're obviously not in the teams plans. The reason why the likes of Fowler and Owen played near full seasons at 18yo, is because there is truth in the old adage that if you're good enough, you're old enough. If Carvalho is into his 20s and still out on loan then its been decided you're not good enough to be old enough. Sort of the same boat Nat Phillips found himself in, was going out on loan in his early 20s and now he's 27 and a hefty chunk of his career has passed him by.
Thing with the Elliott, Quansah and Bradley loans was that they were loaned for 1 season or part of 1 season, which is a bit different from players like Carvalho who get loaned out for multiple seasons. I would be interested to know how many young players have had multiple season loans but then returned to become first team players or whether multiple season loans has merely been a precursor to being soldWhile I don't disagree regarding Carvalho not making it with us, I do disagree regarding your point about loans. Although many loans are just used to put young players, ultimately not good enough, in the shop window, we have seen a number of loans that have been used to develop players for our first team. Harvey Elliott went off to Blackburn, Quansah to Bristol Rovers and Bradley to Bolton and have come back as important members of the first team squad.
Not everybody is ready at 18 years old. When you look at the players that have broken through at very young ages, they're more often than not forward players where making a mistake isn't going to cost the side rather than in defence where making a mistake will. They also usually have outstanding physical attributes - blistering pace or just physically already built like a 25 year old. Other players take time to grow into their bodies and need experience of playing mens football to prepare themselves for the highest level.
I saw some discussion about Doak a page or so back and I don't think there's much chance that the club will sell him but a loan makes perfect sense. Nobody could say with any confidence that he's going to make it with us, not because of him but simply because of the standard required to make it at a top PL side is so high that only 1 in a million make it. He's a young, talented player that will have a career for himself somewhere and going out on loan, playing regularly should help his development. If that means he's good enough for a role with us then great, if not then hopefully it allows the club to move him on for more than they could now.
I've no idea regarding players that have spent multiple years on loan - although Harry Kane springs to mind as somebody that had 4 spells on loan before making it at Spurs. My comment was mainly triggered by the 'if you're good enough, you're old enough' comment because barring a tiny number of examples, that's just not true. Everybody develops differently and particularly those without outstanding physical attributes, some can take until they're into their 20s before they're ready. Loans are great ways to prepare young players for the realities of mens football.Thing with the Elliott, Quansah and Bradley loans was that they were loaned for 1 season or part of 1 season, which is a bit different from players like Carvalho who get loaned out for multiple seasons. I would be interested to know how many young players have had multiple season loans but then returned to become first team players or whether multiple season loans has merely been a precursor to being sold
City probably paid Athletico £69m off the booksApparently they're close to signing Alvarez for something in the region of £70m, so they can't be doing too badly for themselves
I was just recycling Matt Busbys quote on good enough being old enough, as he knew far more about football players than I ever willI've no idea regarding players that have spent multiple years on loan - although Harry Kane springs to mind as somebody that had 4 spells on loan before making it at Spurs. My comment was mainly triggered by the 'if you're good enough, you're old enough' comment
Whats one more charge when you already have 115City probably paid Athletico £69m off the books
Maybe, it happens occasionally - Wilshire was out on loan a lot, I recall. Gallagher is a more recent example (admittedly now sold but that's more because Chelsea are headcases!). Elliott's loan to Blackburn was clearly a huge success (although he was very young).Yeah, Carvalho isnt going to break into this team. If you're on loan for 2 years, then you're obviously not in the teams plans. The reason why the likes of Fowler and Owen played near full seasons at 18yo, is because there is truth in the old adage that if you're good enough, you're old enough. If Carvalho is into his 20s and still out on loan then its been decided you're not good enough to be old enough. Sort of the same boat Nat Phillips found himself in, was going out on loan in his early 20s and now he's 27 and a hefty chunk of his career has passed him by.
William Saliba spent over 2 years on loan and joined up with the first team at 5 months younger than Carvalho at this stage in their respective careers.Er, you what?