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City must have some decent signing up their sleeve. 81m, though, is some profit on Alvarez.
Summer Transfer Thread 24/25
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If you are going out on loan when you are 21+ then yeah you arent going to make it a club like ours which is why I think Carvalho will be sold even though he's been really impressive in preseason. The likes of Quansah and Bradley both had decent loan spells and they look better for it and have cemented their places in the 1st team squad-both were under 21 going out on loan tho
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He wants out apparently, been chatter for quite a while
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Bloody norra, here’s me under the impression they had no cash. Incredible amount for a player who isn’t first choice.
He was important last season for sure
11 goals and 9 assists in 36 prem games
I doubt kdb will play every game this season
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City are a funny one at the moment. They seem to make some serious $$$ each year selling Youth Players but this summer looks a bit different. Alvarez fora cool £80m and potentially Ederson off to Saudi.
Some serious profit made on the Alvarez deal
Some serious profit made on the Alvarez deal
Yeah, Carvalho isnt going to break into this team. If you're on loan for 2 years, then you're obviously not in the teams plans. The reason why the likes of Fowler and Owen played near full seasons at 18yo, is because there is truth in the old adage that if you're good enough, you're old enough. If Carvalho is into his 20s and still out on loan then its been decided you're not good enough to be old enough. Sort of the same boat Nat Phillips found himself in, was going out on loan in his early 20s and now he's 27 and a hefty chunk of his career has passed him by.
Only 5 months older than the Saliba situation...just saying
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Er, you what?
While I don't disagree regarding Carvalho not making it with us, I do disagree regarding your point about loans. Although many loans are just used to put young players, ultimately not good enough, in the shop window, we have seen a number of loans that have been used to develop players for our first team. Harvey Elliott went off to Blackburn, Quansah to Bristol Rovers and Bradley to Bolton and have come back as important members of the first team squad.
Not everybody is ready at 18 years old. When you look at the players that have broken through at very young ages, they're more often than not forward players where making a mistake isn't going to cost the side rather than in defence where making a mistake will. They also usually have outstanding physical attributes - blistering pace or just physically already built like a 25 year old. Other players take time to grow into their bodies and need experience of playing mens football to prepare themselves for the highest level.
I saw some discussion about Doak a page or so back and I don't think there's much chance that the club will sell him but a loan makes perfect sense. Nobody could say with any confidence that he's going to make it with us, not because of him but simply because of the standard required to make it at a top PL side is so high that only 1 in a million make it. He's a young, talented player that will have a career for himself somewhere and going out on loan, playing regularly should help his development. If that means he's good enough for a role with us then great, if not then hopefully it allows the club to move him on for more than they could now.
Thing with the Elliott, Quansah and Bradley loans was that they were loaned for 1 season or part of 1 season, which is a bit different from players like Carvalho who get loaned out for multiple seasons. I would be interested to know how many young players have had multiple season loans but then returned to become first team players or whether multiple season loans has merely been a precursor to being sold
I've no idea regarding players that have spent multiple years on loan - although Harry Kane springs to mind as somebody that had 4 spells on loan before making it at Spurs. My comment was mainly triggered by the 'if you're good enough, you're old enough' comment because barring a tiny number of examples, that's just not true. Everybody develops differently and particularly those without outstanding physical attributes, some can take until they're into their 20s before they're ready. Loans are great ways to prepare young players for the realities of mens football.
FWIW I think Carvalho is going to be a very good player and the club know this but like I said re Doak, being really good still might not be good enough for us. I suspect he'll be sold this summer but if nobody pays the fee we want then I don't think the club will have many concerns loaning him out for another season. Maybe he kicks on and does come into our plans in 12 months or maybe we get the fee we wanted in the end.
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City probably paid Athletico £69m off the books
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I was just recycling Matt Busbys quote on good enough being old enough, as he knew far more about football players than I ever will
Kane could be an exception to the rule, I'd love to see the overall stats (not just at Liverpool) of how many young players who have multiple season loans then make it at their team and how many who have multiple season loans then get shipped at the door. Might be an indicator as to whether having several seasons of loans means that you probably need to consider transfering to another team as youre unlikely to make it at your current one
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Whats one more charge when you already have 115City probably paid Athletico £69m off the books
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Maybe, it happens occasionally - Wilshire was out on loan a lot, I recall. Gallagher is a more recent example (admittedly now sold but that's more because Chelsea are headcases!). Elliott's loan to Blackburn was clearly a huge success (although he was very young).
William Saliba spent over 2 years on loan and joined up with the first team at 5 months younger than Carvalho at this stage in their respective careers.