** Summer Transfer Window 2011/12 Season Rumours/Signings **
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I'd have liked Parker a few years ago, he's getting on a bit now though. Kaka - if we get him on loan I'd give him a go, but don't know if he's a good shout given the injuries.
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Rumours on twitter that we want Kaka on loan
Nothing to lose, but we should agree a discounted fee for him in advance if he comes good. I'm not being Real's reserve side.
because he cant do dead ball situations (not saying many at Utd can, they cant but Nani must be pretty crap if he rarely takes any). Ok he takes corners sometimes (even when available to take them, he doesnt seemingly even 50% of the time - just a guestimate but surely has to be right)
and how many chances did he have.......50....100....200 and he ONLY scored 10 - stats are only as good as the full information given.
Everyone on here is like a bad politician at times lol
Im still not that enamoured with Young joining, but our dead ball situations surely has to improve with him playing if nothing else
I believe last season was Nani's best at Utd (after what 5 seasons?) - I will bet the first person to agree on here £5 that Young will at the very least score the same amount in his first season (as long as Young isnt injured for a long period) as Nani did in the 10-11 season
Im sure if Nani had played more for the team than himself his assists and goals would have been far higher last season (and he might have actually started a lot more often too during the run-in)
On the other hand he played a massive part in winning us titles in 2009 and in 2011
Debatable to say the least. Its fair to say that in some of those games Utd would have been less likely to score as many , but as majority of his goals for the season came in 5 games - I think its pretty fair to say with any other striker on the pitch instead of Berba we would have probably won majority of those five anyway (and possibly more with all the ones he didnt score in )
I would much prefer a striker who scores 1 goal every game for 5 games than a striker who scores all of them in 5-0 rout and then doesnt score again for a month or two
He was worth the risk buying him for that huge amount from Spurs, but it hasnt worked out to the team's benefit. Get £10 - £12m back (or £16/17m going by A.Young's transfer fee lol) and personally think that would be a good deal
hmmmm Kaka.....Im really not sure about, he would cost a fortune in salery and probably spend stretches out injured (isnt one knee really dodgy?). Is it just co-incidence that Diarra rumours have sparked up (again it has to be said), along with Alonso and Kaka? It would be great if the Diarra and Kaka are really covering Alonso talks, unfortunately its much more likely the Kaka and Alonso rumours are covering Diarra talks lol
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Although, Alonso said on the LFCtv interview the other week he would never join you guys, so i'd be placing those Diarra bets if i were you
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Diarra at United would be comical. Despite being called a defensive midfielder he continually tries to take on teams by himself which leaves acres of space in front of the defence which he probably does to hide the fact his distribution is absolutely woeful. With the attacking players United have he would cost more goals than he helps to prevent.
But if Utd did sign him, along with Young then they'd only be an Eboue away from converting DM into a Manc.
Any interest in Alonso could ruin that though.
Although, Alonso said on the LFCtv interview the other week he would never join you guys, so i'd be placing those Diarra bets if i were you
Im sure Torres said he didnt want to join chelsea / Man Utd at some point too didnt he?
Utd need a proper DM - but I think Diarra is over-priced and under skilled myself lol
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Ah what would the day be without Frank coming along quoting one of my posts and moaning about Nani and or Berbatov. Lets see....
Nani and Giggs take the majority of corners between them FYI
I dont know but other than Ronaldo and Messi name an out and out winger (which Ronaldo and Messi aren't actually) that's done significantly better at scoring than Nani? You seem to have this thing that if a player gets in a shooting opportunity it has to result in a goal, you do realise that even Messi and Ronaldo dont have those kind of powers dont you?
Firstly Nani's been at the club 4 seasons not 5, secondly two of those seasons he spent playing second fiddle to Ronaldo. In the past 18 months (second half of the 09/10 season and last season) he has scored 15 goals and assisted 35 times.
As for your Young wager you do realise what you're suggesting means the square root of nothing dont you? Ashley Young has been a regular premier league starter for 4 years at Villa, and is a year older than Nani who as I've just pointed out has only been a regular in the United team for 18 months. Regardless of that no I dont believe he will score as many goals as Nani did last season simply because unlike at Villa he wont be on penalty duty.
It's playing for himself that saw Nani make most of his 10 goals all himself, in some cases very important goals (equaliser away to Bolton, winner at home to Stoke being the ones that spring to mind)
Debatable? Lets see shall we... The leagues two top goal scorers Tevez and Berbatov
Berbatov's 20 goals came in 11 games
Tevez's 20 goals came in 13 games
So obviously not much difference on the face of things but in Berbatov's favour he doesn't take penalties like Tevez and from end of February onwards Berbatov didn't play every week and had he of done he'd of not only scored more goals than Tevez but also in more different games
I wont dwell on this part to much as I've already proven you incorrect, but for the record it was the game against Liverpool which finished 3-2 which then followed Berbatov's biggest 'dry spell' in front of goal
Nani and Giggs take the majority of corners between them FYI
I dont know but other than Ronaldo and Messi name an out and out winger (which Ronaldo and Messi aren't actually) that's done significantly better at scoring than Nani? You seem to have this thing that if a player gets in a shooting opportunity it has to result in a goal, you do realise that even Messi and Ronaldo dont have those kind of powers dont you?
Firstly Nani's been at the club 4 seasons not 5, secondly two of those seasons he spent playing second fiddle to Ronaldo. In the past 18 months (second half of the 09/10 season and last season) he has scored 15 goals and assisted 35 times.
As for your Young wager you do realise what you're suggesting means the square root of nothing dont you? Ashley Young has been a regular premier league starter for 4 years at Villa, and is a year older than Nani who as I've just pointed out has only been a regular in the United team for 18 months. Regardless of that no I dont believe he will score as many goals as Nani did last season simply because unlike at Villa he wont be on penalty duty.
It's playing for himself that saw Nani make most of his 10 goals all himself, in some cases very important goals (equaliser away to Bolton, winner at home to Stoke being the ones that spring to mind)
Debatable? Lets see shall we... The leagues two top goal scorers Tevez and Berbatov
Berbatov's 20 goals came in 11 games
Tevez's 20 goals came in 13 games
So obviously not much difference on the face of things but in Berbatov's favour he doesn't take penalties like Tevez and from end of February onwards Berbatov didn't play every week and had he of done he'd of not only scored more goals than Tevez but also in more different games
I wont dwell on this part to much as I've already proven you incorrect, but for the record it was the game against Liverpool which finished 3-2 which then followed Berbatov's biggest 'dry spell' in front of goal
Difference being, Torres was still a LFC player, what do you expect him to say?
Alonso's was a recorded interview from Madrid, he was under no pressure to even talk about it, could have easily been not included in the final footage, but he did..
Considering you're hardly a successful club (in recent times) you do seem to have this loyalty with your ex players for some reason (Torres not withstanding). Only thing as bad as losing the Champions League final was listening to that little **** Mascherano say this is for the Liverpool fans in his post match interview
Considering you're hardly a successful club (in recent times) you do seem to have this loyalty with your ex players for some reason (Torres not withstanding). Only thing as bad as losing the Champions League final was listening to that little **** Mascherano say this is for the Liverpool fans in his post match interview
I still dont like him
The pre game coverage on Sky listening to everyone and anyone talking about how Masch at CB was a complete liability and Rooney was going to have a field day running rings around him was pretty amusing though
I still dont like him
The pre game coverage on Sky listening to everyone and anyone talking about how Masch at CB was a complete liability and Rooney was going to have a field day running rings around him was pretty amusing though
Meh it's Souness and Redknapp Jr what do they know
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YOu literally couldn't be more wrong, Diarra's distribution is excellent. You seem to be confusing the Song type who have 85% + pass completion rates, all backwards or sideways, with Diarra who will receive the ball, turn and start an attack QUICKLY rather than pass sideways till everyone else has fallen asleep. His passing is good but as with most attacking minded players who try to get the ball forwards quickly, its an inherantly higher risk game that has less success.
Diarra doesn't leave loads of space, he's also being asked to play the MORE OFFENSIVE midfield role throughout the majority of his time at Real.
The fans like him, and the players at Real seem to love him, going over to the bench to celebrate goals with him when he couldn't play. The pretty highly rated Khedira, who is infact useless, lost his place to Diarra, except when Diarra picked up an injury.
I'd kill to have him back at Arsenal but he likely wouldn't want to play under Wenger again, and he's first team at Real and likes it there, with 2 years to go, having displaced Khedira from the first team pretty much I can't see him leaving, unless of course Real want the cash for buying someone they don't need as per usual.
He's exactly what Utd need, in terms of beating someone like Barca, Diarra over a Fletcher/Anderson/Carrick would be a significant upgrade. In terms of winning the league, your current 3 are good enough, obviously.
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if the berba contract talks break down and united end up selling him,could we see Forlan back in a united shirt? i have been reading that he wants a move back to the prem
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After his last spell, why would we want him back? I'd rathe see Ruud back but has he and Fergie ever made peace?
I think Rooney/Chico is the #1 choice. Berba is too good to be on the bench, he has to go. As sad as that is, he just doesn't fit anymore now that Chico is doing so well with Rooney... and Owen needs to move on.
Kaka on loan would be interesting but I just don't see it happening.... then again, I don't see him starting many games for RM next season either.
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The only dead ball situations are corners are they???
Like I said - bad politicians make similar remarks
Didnt Ronaldo and Messi score 50 each last season.......I have no idea how many assists they got but thats on a totally other level to nearly everyone else, not sure how you can bring Nani in to that and not be laughed at
Of course it doesnt HAVE to result in a goal, but a ***** load of Nani's chances were wasted by him rather than passing to a much better placed player (and not just wasted, but well high and wide or taken to far and opportunity missed)
Oh sorry my bad, I made a slight mis-calculation how long he has been at Utd - shoot me now
So the first two years - he had no starts or anything, it just doesnt count at all in your book? He still played a lot of games , had a lot of on pitch time (ie not just a few minutes at the end of games) - ok from what I remember he played a lot on the left/ out of his natural position but even so he should have gotten a lot more used to players movements around him in that time . Look at Rooney and Hernandez, now that happened at double quick time I know but even so Nani should be able to pick out the players around him a lot better than he can most days.
Whether you like it or not he was still available begining of last season - but you want to ignore that period because he was total **** and just gloss over it.
A year difference in age is **** all at that kind of age (fine if they were 21/22 or something it might make a difference, and a lot more if Young was the one already at Utd), but Young still has to get used to players movements etc etc and just get used to the club which takes time
, so Nani has a huge advantage there with his FOUR years of experience at the club - and Nani was a regular in the team a lot longer than what you are implying (even as stated if it was out of position)
Im not disputing he scored important goals - but how many "important" misses did he cost Utd as well? (Ie just not passing to a better placed player) I would bet that happened a lot more often than the important goals he scored.
I have no idea about Tevez (and never claimed to), but of those 20 goals scored by Berba, at least 50% of them were in 3 games, and 75% of them were in 5.......out of a 38 game season thats pretty **** in anyone's book
Berba still managed to miss the goal from 2 yards away (in a central position) in numerous games Utd ended up losing (or dropping points) - if players do that why do they deserve the place to start with!!
You are relying purely on guess work regarding " not only scored more goals but in different games" - so what happened in the FA CUp final then - he had perfect chances (not to mention a lot of games when Rooney was out / in the US getting fit)
You havent proven me incorrect at all (apart from adding one year onto Nani's stay at Utd - WOWWWWW) - so please try and dwell on it and have another go
Plus none of us see how Berba and Nani are in training week in week out, which has to be a big factor as to who is chosen for the next game
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id take him back,he has become a much improved player,and the fans loved him while he was at united.Its like i have always said i would have loved to see beckham finish his career at united
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