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Its sad to see Wenger keeping his stripes. When was the last time he signed someone over 25? (Arteta?)
Summer Transfer Window 2013/2014 aka Arsenal , we can afford folks and the mancs really want Fellani
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Its sad to see Wenger keeping his stripes. When was the last time he signed someone over 25? (Arteta?)
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Who said they were?
Oh christ please let's not play the 'I implied something but I didn't say it directly and now let's debate it over 3 pages' game.
It was quite obvious what you were saying, along with most other Spurs fans playing the whole 'Madrid can't afford him, destroy them Evil Genius LEVVY MASTERRRR!!20121!1one' game.
AVB wasn't happy with Real telling the press that they were in talks with Spurs over Bale yet he was perfectly happy to tell the press last week that Spurs were in talks to sign Soldado? A bit hypocritical don't you think?
All clubs tap up players. Some do it more openly than others but Spurs and AVB are hardly saints.
I would imagine that, given instalments are still apparently owed for Modric, Spurs don't want to take on further credit exposure on RM. You can't hold security over a person and defeasance would essentially require the total sum to be put on deposit in advance anyway. Spurs may be able to take out an insurance premium on the amount owed but that drives down profits again.
The FFP point relates more to the fact that it catches those who receive state help (as well as the EU prohibiting it anyway). RM have already faced an investigation earlier this year about their relationship with Madrid council. No doubt platini and blatter will sweep it under the carpet.
The final point regarding tapping up and relates to player agitation. Clubs, players and agents all chat unofficially. However the thing that grates is that when a player is apparently ambivalent over whether he comes or not, RM start headlining "you'll only get this chance once" to make the player twitchy and worry about his chance.
If I was a player I would be telling a club that did that to F.O. As it exhibits a complete lack of commitment to you and your ongoing career. The players should back their own ability and tell RM to go away. RM will always come back; it is just rude towards all involved and it is like spoilt child syndrome
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The Valencia president came out on twitter and told the world about Spurs' soldado offer and kept tweeting running updates way before we confirmed we were in talks.
I only mentioned performance related add-ons as they are usually a part of majority of player transfers (although only a small part of the final figure).
No it doesn't have to be paid in one lump sum, but most selling clubs insist on the bulk of the "gaurenteed" amount being paid upfront.
There may well be payments continueing from this gauranteed amount for a number of years, what I highly doubt is the initial down payment % you initially stated as low as 30%. No way at all Neymar, Bale or Cavani etc etc would have had this low initial payment.
edit - according to CW 's figures RM have already paid 66% of Modric's fee (give or take a few %), and Im sure this is based on the initial lump sum paid, not any subsequent payments.
Exactly as I said before - the more senior/ experienced the player (in his side)the more likely a specific entry is going to be in that contract.
I don't believe I implied it was standard by any means. I certainly never meant to imply that every player is entitled to a bonus from the selling team. apologies if you thought that was the case.
Whether its true or not is another matter, but there have been items in the press of players being given a golden hello from the "buying" team for a star player running his contract down and leaving /arriving on a free
(although admittedly we are discussing "paid" transfers rather than free ones).
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There's also other very obvious differences such as Soldado having a release clause in his contract which Spurs hit. Also the fact Spurs have very clearly stated several times, infact daily for the past 12 months, that Bale is not for sale.
But this is the Ocuk squabble forum so lets not let any facts get in the way here
No they don't. As an unwritten rule all transfers between Premier League clus are paid over 3 years. There are of course exceptions in extreme cases but the vast majority of transfers are spread over 3+ years.
You said something about bargaining power and that'll affect the size of a bonus
There's also other very obvious differences such as Soldado having a release clause in his contract which Spurs hit. Also the fact Spurs have very clearly stated several times, infact daily for the past 12 months, that Bale is not for sale.
But this is the Ocuk squabble forum so lets not let any facts get in the way here
Irony?
Lets not let the fact that Soldado didn't have a release clause that Spurs could activate get in the way
Spanish buyout clauses are required by law but they can only be triggered if the player pays the club. There's a gentlemans agreement among La Liga clubs that they'll accept bids matching the buyout clause + tax, however this doesn't stretch to non La Liga clubs. But as you say lets not let facts get in the way of anything
edit: and lets not forget that Valencia rejected Spurs first attempts to sign Soldado - didn't stop AVB telling everybody about it though.
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Baz you're a arguementative bore.
True but I'm not a hypocrite whining about Real doing the same thing my own club's doing.
none, why would he want to go to spurs?
Not really the same still - at no point did Valencia say Soldado wasn't for sale.. early doors they set their price and lo and behold after a bit of back and forth they got their price.
The thing that bugs me about the whole situ is the amazing arrogance from pretty much anyone related to Madrid about this (desire avb's comment Carlo was actually one of the better ironically - wish he'd have told zidane to shove it) - saying we should let bale talk to them because he wants to come. Try actually making a written offer you jokers.
Who wouldn't want to?
I jest, of course. We have nothing significantly better to offer him right now that 'pool can't already. But if it's because he generally just doesn't like it at Liverpool then you never know! I wouldn't say no to having him at the Lane that's for sure.
They have haven't they?
Nope. They have said they would pay x amount on the phone initially but haven't come back with proof of funds or even a written offer.
Same old same old from the press though, they've got nothing but conjecture to work with but still come out with ten different stories a day. The Soldado interview being a prime example. He said he goes we can hang onto Bale. One story coming out of that was that bale was likely staying, another was that he was definitely off - using the same quote
The modric money that is outstanding is also a few months overdue I understand so I can see why we don't want to get into another situation like that especially with a much larger sum being talked about
Are you for Real? (pun intended
You're quizzing me about something you can't be bothered to follow? How does that work?
No, I'm asking you what your beef is with Real Madrid? What have they done wrong?
I have absolutely no idea why you're in full keyboard warrior mode.
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