Summer Transfer Window 2017/18 - Rumours & Signings

mmj_uk said:
De Gea + £183m I've just read.

It's a good deal for Real Madrid. I'm not knocking Ronaldo but I think De Gea will earn more points over the course of a season than he will, he's also younger and a better long term prospect. I doubt United will hang onto De Gea much longer anyway though so why not try to get Ronaldo in return?
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That would surely value Morata at more than De Gea which cant be remotely true (however good Morata is)

Most sites appear to value Ronaldo at £115- £150m, given that it would be a brave person to back him to play four more years at the very top - even allowing for his supreme fitness at this point (not to mention the ~£50m in wages /year the club will be paying). Its a really tough deal to get over the line, especially for a club who are now sponsored by adidas (would certainly make it easier for PSG to sign him from this perspective).


Personally Ive got a feeling Real will come up with £13m to pay off the tax issue - even if that makes it harder for themselves in the long run.

As the M.E.N has said recently, I hope this doesnt detract Woodward from the primary targets already set for the summer. Ronaldo has "played" Utd at least twice in the last four years or so, it would totally **** the club for the next season at the very least if EW takes his eye off the ball now to try and sign CR and falls flat on his face.
 
Ronaldo back in the PL would really be something, a fantastic talent and great player to watch.

Would he fit into Jose's plans for Utd? Or would it be a reshuffle to build the team around him?
 
For the money we'd have to pay for Ronaldo I don't want him either. Imo you don't pay big money for players over 30, regardless of how incredible they are. It just doesn't make long-term sense. Even when considering buying players in their late 20s age has to be taken into account. Look what happened with RvP, we got one good year out of him where he helped win the PL but then his form plummeted. For £100 million or more I'd rather we go for Mbappe. Barring any sort of bad injury he's got at least a decade ahead of him at the top of the game, and if he does turn into the player people expect then United could sell him on eventually for a fortune.
 
We would also be building our team around a single player who will become more injury prone and only has a few more years at the top. I would rather we planned for the future than hope Ronaldo comes back and transforms us. Part of the reason he has such a stellar record in Madrid is because the league isn't as competitive once you get past the first few teams and he has a world class team around him who are set up to get the best from him. I'm sure he would bang them in at United again but he won't be the same player without the same team around him.
 
The Running Man said:
I take it you don't watch much football?
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Same to you.

fez said:
We would also be building our team around a single player who will become more injury prone and only has a few more years at the top. I would rather we planned for the future than hope Ronaldo comes back and transforms us. Part of the reason he has such a stellar record in Madrid is because the league isn't as competitive once you get past the first few teams and he has a world class team around him who are set up to get the best from him. I'm sure he would bang them in at United again but he won't be the same player without the same team around him.
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I want Ronaldo to come back AND we continue to build for the future. Both can be done, and we have the money to continue to buy in the best players.

99% sure he'll stay at Madrid though.
 
fez said:
We would also be building our team around a single player who will become more injury prone and only has a few more years at the top. I would rather we planned for the future than hope Ronaldo comes back and transforms us. Part of the reason he has such a stellar record in Madrid is because the league isn't as competitive once you get past the first few teams and he has a world class team around him who are set up to get the best from him. I'm sure he would bang them in at United again but he won't be the same player without the same team around him.
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Agreed. My other big concern is that we'll spend the whole transfer window chasing Ronaldo, like we did Bale and Neymar in the past, and miss out on realistic signings that seem close to going through, such as Morata. If Mourinho and Woodward are sensible they'll ignore this speculation and continue on with the targets they had, we want the majority of transfers done in time for pre-season. Pogba said that he found it hard not having a full pre-season at United last year, so we don't want the same thing happening with new signings this year, all because we got distracted by Ronaldo.
 
nicktay2605 said:
For the money we'd have to pay for Ronaldo I don't want him either. Imo you don't pay big money for players over 30, regardless of how incredible they are. It just doesn't make long-term sense. Even when considering buying players in their late 20s age has to be taken into account. Look what happened with RvP, we got one good year out of him where he helped win the PL but then his form plummeted. For £100 million or more I'd rather we go for Mbappe. Barring any sort of bad injury he's got at least a decade ahead of him at the top of the game, and if he does turn into the player people expect then United could sell him on eventually for a fortune.
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RVP was crocked throughout his entire career and then under Moyes he played him while barely recovered and ignored his own medical teams advice not to play him all game. Moyes was partly to blame but this was a guy you got fairly cheap who had known trouble with injuries. Ronaldo couldn't be more different from RVP in terms of fitness and health.

You could literally always say RVP wasn't going to keep his level up past 30 because every injury takes something out of you and he was injured constantly. Ronaldo hasn't really had serious injury and there probably hasn't been a fitter player in all football history.

Honestly just saying "you don't pay big over 30" is silly. You could use the same logic to say after Diaby left Arsenal that he could have been sold for 50mil... because he wasn't 30 yet, right? No, everyone is an individual. Players playing to 35 and even 40 are more and more common and the most common thing amongst the players making it to top level at 35 or beyond, how they've taken their health and fitness throughout their careers and how many injuries they've had.

I wouldn't have spent £60mil on RVP at 29, I would buy him for £20mil though, I wouldn't spend 100mil + on Ronaldo at 35, but at 31, sure.

Again though it's worth realising how much money he'll bring to wherever he goes via sponsorship and new fans.
 
I know what you're saying DM and I do agree with some of it, the RvP comparison maybe wasn't the best because he was, as you say, always injury prone. I agree that Ronaldo has a superb fitness record, but that's in a largely pretty soft league. Sure, he still gets fouled plenty in La Liga, but the fouls are minor and a lot of them are milked for effect by Ronaldo. In the RM games I've seen he doesn't get many crunching challenges, so we don't know how he'd fair in the PL, which is certainly more physical than Spain. I know he's supremely fit but age catches up with everyone, Ronaldo is no different. It's much easier to shrug off an injury at 25 than it is at 32 and the recovery time is also reduced.

Also, at RM he's got the whole team set up around him and all the other players are top class. United are more of a team in development than Real and I'm not sure that spending such an enormous amount of money on one player is such a good idea. If it's a case of Ronaldo plus our other transfer targets then I'd be happy to have him back, but I wouldn't be happy with just him this summer, it's too much of a gamble putting all our eggs in one basket when we really don't know how he'd fair against the physical PL teams while playing for a team that isn't as dominant as Real. I stand by my comment about age, players naturally reduce in value over a certain age. Diaby was never a great player so age is irrelevant for him. What I mean is that when considering transfers you have to take into account a player's age, if they are older then they will have significantly reduced resale value and they will be more of a gamble due to increased risk of injuries.
 
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