Summer Transfer Window 2017/18 - Rumours & Signings
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It does kinda work like that, clubs around Europe do bump up prices for the EPL.
However I imagine James had a large say in where he wanted to go so Real/Bayern thrashed out a deal that worked for both parties. I think Bayern definitely got the better end of it, but it could also be the fact that James has no future in Zidanes plans and didn't want to let him rot for the sake of it.
However I imagine James had a large say in where he wanted to go so Real/Bayern thrashed out a deal that worked for both parties. I think Bayern definitely got the better end of it, but it could also be the fact that James has no future in Zidanes plans and didn't want to let him rot for the sake of it.
Has anybody considered that James just isn't that good? Although I agree with the above regarding prices for PL sides, it's not because they're PL sides that prices go up but because they're rich - the same issues apply to the likes of Real, Barca, PSG and Bayern too.
The deal between Bayern and Real is what it is because that's what the market determined. I mentioned on here when he was being linked with Utd, James is not a Mourinho player. He's also not the type of player Guardiola, Klopp or Conte would go for either. You're now left with just 2 or 3 clubs that could afford his wages let alone a huge fee and even so, Bayern would only take him on loan with the option to buy him. As above, although he's a very talented player technically, I'm not convinced he's as good a player (in actual match scenarios) as his reputation suggests.
The deal between Bayern and Real is what it is because that's what the market determined. I mentioned on here when he was being linked with Utd, James is not a Mourinho player. He's also not the type of player Guardiola, Klopp or Conte would go for either. You're now left with just 2 or 3 clubs that could afford his wages let alone a huge fee and even so, Bayern would only take him on loan with the option to buy him. As above, although he's a very talented player technically, I'm not convinced he's as good a player (in actual match scenarios) as his reputation suggests.
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We have Mkhi and Mata who want to play where James would want to play anyway. I think he's a good player but we just can't fit him in.
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It will depend on the match I suspect.
I was talking more generally but yea, I suppose there will be the odd game where you might leave out Herrera or whoever you sign as your DM and play Pogba deeper.
A few reports around tonight that Utd really are after Dier. Not sure how to feel about that. On one hand it's great that Utd might waste £50m+ on a bang average player but on the other hand, the thought of Spurs getting £100m for Walker and Dier is quite concerning. If spent well Spurs could be a hell of a lot better off selling those two duds.
A few reports around tonight that Utd really are after Dier. Not sure how to feel about that. On one hand it's great that Utd might waste £50m+ on a bang average player but on the other hand, the thought of Spurs getting £100m for Walker and Dier is quite concerning. If spent well Spurs could be a hell of a lot better off selling those two duds.
James has done well everywhere he's gone, even when not getting regular matches. Sure his style won't fit every team, but he is world class, no doubt about it.
Saying he isn't that good is just madness tbh.
He's not the type of player for those managers.... how do you come to that conclusion exactly? Jose with ozil, klopp with gotze, Conte hasn't really had anyone that close, but pretty sure if they had any chance of getting him they would go for it.
I don't agree that's what the market determined at all, plenty of cases where the will of the player and willingness of the club has allowed transfers to go through at a lower value. Tulisso and Sule both for lower amounts to Bayern than what others offered.
Toprak to Dortmund, mandzukic to AM, Rodriguez to Milan, guierro to Dortmund, lacazette to AM if they didn't get a transfer ban. That's just off the top of my head.
James wanted the club/manager, Bayern don't overpay - where do you go from that point? Let 70 mil rot in the bench? Keep a non EU spot occupied and keep paying the wage?
Saying he isn't that good is just madness tbh.
He's not the type of player for those managers.... how do you come to that conclusion exactly? Jose with ozil, klopp with gotze, Conte hasn't really had anyone that close, but pretty sure if they had any chance of getting him they would go for it.
I don't agree that's what the market determined at all, plenty of cases where the will of the player and willingness of the club has allowed transfers to go through at a lower value. Tulisso and Sule both for lower amounts to Bayern than what others offered.
Toprak to Dortmund, mandzukic to AM, Rodriguez to Milan, guierro to Dortmund, lacazette to AM if they didn't get a transfer ban. That's just off the top of my head.
James wanted the club/manager, Bayern don't overpay - where do you go from that point? Let 70 mil rot in the bench? Keep a non EU spot occupied and keep paying the wage?
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There is no doubt clubs are raising prices for PL clubs. Why would they not? They know how much money is here.
Dier...I don't know. Why pay the English premium for a player that doesn't even count as homegrown. I'd much rather we spent that on Fabinho. It's an absolute no brainer. But seeing as our transfer strategy this summer seems to be "who gives a **** just pay any amount" it doesn't surprise me.
Dier...I don't know. Why pay the English premium for a player that doesn't even count as homegrown. I'd much rather we spent that on Fabinho. It's an absolute no brainer. But seeing as our transfer strategy this summer seems to be "who gives a **** just pay any amount" it doesn't surprise me.
Not that good relative to the hype around him. He's a talented player but he's a huge step below the best players in the world. His problem is he's a luxury player which those managers don't typically accommodate. Ozil at Real maybe falls into the same boat but Real are one of 3 or 4 clubs (Bayern being one of the others) that can carry luxury players - there's not a chance that Mourinho would have him at Utd though because he knows he can't afford to carry players like James.
I understand that transfer fees can get knocked down when a selling club is desperate and a player is adamant that he'll only join a particular club but how have you decided that was the case this time and James would only join Bayern? I find it unlikely seeing as over the last couple of months he's been whored out all around Europe in desperation to find somebody that will take him and none of those manager/clubs were interested. And for such a great player, why are Real so desperate to get rid of him that they're willing to loan him out for 2 seasons? Surely such a world class player wouldn't be left to rot on the bench and would be far better to keep than accept such an offer? Maybe, just maybe Real are just cutting their losses and Bayern's opportunistic offer was the best they could get.
I disagree, he does. He was signed for a hugely inflated fee on the back of his performances at the World Cup and hasn't lived up to the hype. Again, if he's so good and he's delivered what was expected of him then why are Real considering letting one of their most expensive signings leave at all let alone on a 2 year loan deal?
Real are clearly desperate to get shot of him and the lack of interest has forced them to accept this offer.
Real are clearly desperate to get shot of him and the lack of interest has forced them to accept this offer.
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Real don't play a central attacking midfielder any more, that's the main reason he hasn't played as much isn't it? His record is still fairly good but it's understandable they want to move him on if he doesn't fit their tactics any more.
They likely had to sell someone, either Isco or James. Both wanted more game time and I think Bayern have got an excellent deal out of it. £10m for a player for two seasons is a stonking deal.
Also, just a thought, does this mean Bayern's interest in Sanchez is dead and buried?
If Sanchez stays, it's a big, big risk by Arsene as come Christmas he could talk to and sign a deal with someone else for 18/19 and beyond. Arsenal need a big start to the season, perhaps another player or two to show the squad's intent for the future and Sanchez MIGHT re-sign. Unfortunately I can see Arsene not signing anyone else from now to the window closing. Or signing some obscure 19 year old who won't make the first team like he does regularly.
Also, just a thought, does this mean Bayern's interest in Sanchez is dead and buried?
If Sanchez stays, it's a big, big risk by Arsene as come Christmas he could talk to and sign a deal with someone else for 18/19 and beyond. Arsenal need a big start to the season, perhaps another player or two to show the squad's intent for the future and Sanchez MIGHT re-sign. Unfortunately I can see Arsene not signing anyone else from now to the window closing. Or signing some obscure 19 year old who won't make the first team like he does regularly.
bookies have had City as favourites for ages
Maybe but they haven't exactly been struggling, they've had the best team or 2nd best team for a fair few years, at least imo.
No more or less than before, they just don't want him.
That's true, they do often sell players to raise money to pay for the next high profile signing. Key difference here is they've not sold him.
Exactly the point I was making when I called him a luxury player. He's a talent but he's not good enough to justify being carried.