Summer Transfer Window 22/23
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If Leeds gazump Southampton after all the stories about us having agreed a fee, agreed personal terms with the player etc. SaintsWeb will go into ultra meltdownGakpo with a hat trick for PSV tonight, go on Leeds do the unthinkable
If Leeds gazump Southampton after all the stories about us having agreed a fee, agreed personal terms with the player etc. SaintsWeb will go into ultra meltdown
Yeah I know, I’m not expecting anything. Our board are a joke. No money unless Dan James goes apparently
No idea why two relegation candidates are the only ones in for him anyway
Must be some significant doubts about him for saints and Leeds to be scrapping over him when he has such a modest price tag in todays market!
40 large well spent
Still only 20 but doesn’t seem to be showing signs of coming good.
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He was 19, as usual people like to double our transfer fees for some reason.
That was only the base fee though. Transfer fees are regularly reported at their top end number, rather than the guaranteed part. Nobody is reporting Nunez to Liverpool at £60m odd are they?
In the mindless attention seeking world in which we currently operate everyone is only interested in the sensational so the big numbers are always the ones banded about. Would be much more sensible if everyone talked about the actual money that was changing hands instead!
People ignore wages too. With these young promising players the transfer fees may be high even before addons but their wages are often quite low and won't go up until they prove themselves and get improved contracts, at that point it's money well spent anyway.
True but on a deal by deal basis, it's nigh on impossible to know the amount of money that actually changes hands. What were the add-on's in Diallo's deal for example? Were all the add-ons linked to his personal performance or were their add-on's linked to Utd's success as a team (that joke's been put on a plate)? We've seen deals where CL qualification for a side results in bonuses kicking in or winning titles. Some of the add-ons could be linked to International call-ups. The reality is nobody knows exactly how much Utd have ended up paying for him as yet, just that it's somewhere between £19m and £38m odd.
I wrote something yesterday regarding what Liverpool spent in the 20/21 season. A lot of people, based on newspaper reports believe that Liverpool spent next to nothing in the summer of 2020 however our actual net spend for that period was £90m and I'm all but certain it was a result of add-ons from a long list of transfers as a result of us winning the 19/20 title.
Maybe he's still working out how to turn around the corner.
There are obviously exceptions but addons for younger players are almost always individual and if there are team performance addons, they're conditional on the young players contributions (e.g. £1m if we win the league, but only if the player plays X minutes in the season). These contracts are long and the conditions are quite complex so as you say we never get the full picture.
Even that is uncertain as those add-ons are also often traded in the market so the club might not be the one actually paying it.
Say there's a clause that says Liverpool must pay Benfica £5m if Nunez ends up being the league's top scorer in the next 3 years. There are people who will go to Benfica and offer to pay a smaller amount, let's say £1m, right now unconditionally and buy that potential receivable so if Nunez performs they get the full £5m or they take the loss if Nunez doesn't meet it. And there are also people who offer Liverpool the chance to offload this future liability by paying something like £1m so they take the £1m and either have to pay £5m if Nunez performs or pocket the £1m if he doesn't. Obviously actual amounts depends on how these traders assess the likelihood of that condition being met. These traders buy lots of contracts and make their money by the spread they add to their valuations.
The clubs like to offload these things as it adds certainty to their finances and helps them better plan and also sometimes allows them to get their money a lot quicker (also happens when transfer fees are paid in instalments).
Re the first point, it's less likely for a younger player to have clauses related to team success I agree but the point is, we don't know. @a1ex2001 point was that we should only talk about the amount of money that actually changes hands but without knowing all of these clauses then it's impossible to do. You can, within a very small margin of error, work out the total a team has spent from their accounts but that won't be broken down deal by deal.
As for the last point, yes I'm aware - Liverpool done a deal with some lender for the money they were owed on the Coutinho sale, although it's not hugely common. I have no idea how that relates to my post though
The point I was making is that Liverpool almost certainly paid out 10s of millions in add-ons that summer, ranging from the Henderson signing the best part of 10 years previous all the way through to signings 6 months prior. Breaking that down and knowing what has been paid out on all those deals is impossible.Re the first point, it's less likely for a younger player to have clauses related to team success I agree but the point is, we don't know. @a1ex2001 point was that we should only talk about the amount of money that actually changes hands but without knowing all of these clauses then it's impossible to do. You can, within a very small margin of error, work out the total a team has spent from their accounts but that won't be broken down deal by deal.
As for the last point, yes I'm aware - Liverpool done a deal with some lender for the money they were owed on the Coutinho sale, although it's not hugely common. I have no idea how that relates to my post though
I was agreeing with you and just adding a little more context as to how it's very difficult to figure out how much clubs actually end up paying for players even if you do know the details of the contracts, and even more difficult when we don't as it's usually the case.
So, in a midnight tweet, Fabrizio now reckons Leeds are favourites to get him, should PSV decide to sell.Yeah I know, I’m not expecting anything. Our board are a joke. No money unless Dan James goes apparently
No idea why two relegation candidates are the only ones in for him anyway
Saints journo Blackmore hasn't said much more since the claims a fee was agreed and personal terms sorted early evening.
And just to put a proper deadline day, unfounded, probably entirely unrelated, cherry on top, there's a private flight scheduled from Eindhoven to Leeds this morning