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Exactly. Would cost a small fortune in wages as well. On nearly £300k/week and he has played circa half the games since he has been at Barca. So you are essentially paying £600k/week for him.
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Exactly. Would cost a small fortune in wages as well. On nearly £300k/week and he has played circa half the games since he has been at Barca. So you are essentially paying £600k/week for him.
Doesn't really work like that, you don't actually pay any more money. It's not like if he played more games his basic wage would go up, he's not going to say to his future club "OK listen guys, I work part time at the moment on £600k/week pro-rata, so if you want me to play every match you need to pay me £600k/week".
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Kind of does work like that though, because he's only available half the time you have to buy and pay someone else to play the other half of his games.
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Of course it works like that. If I went for a job on £100k/year full time and then said "oh yeah, by the way I am only going to work 2 days a week" they probably would want to reduce my wages or tell me to **** off.
If you have a long term injury record that suggests you only play half of the games then any wage discussions will obviously take that into account. Its not going to be 50% of the salary for 50% of the games but it might only be 60-70% of the salary they would offer if you have a good injury record. Perhaps it will be more heavily "game time" weighted.
Most players who are getting injured a lot don't suddenly get injured less as well. PL is a hard league vs Spain as well.
He isnt a "great" player at all. Mane is a "great" player. I wouldnt go anywhere near him.
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They would have to be mad to offer £50m for Keita. Hes been largely rubbish whenever I have seen him for Liverpool and I don't get the impression Livepool rate him particularly highly.
Keita's performances on the whole have been very good, particularly this season. The issue with him has been availability. The 2nd half of this season is pretty much the only time he's not been injured every 2-3 weeks since signing for us and that will be the reason why he'll be allowed to leave.
That might have been true 30+ years ago with smaller squads but I disagree that you HAVE to buy and pay extra players. You may or may not choose to do that but these top clubs have big squads, in fact so big they sometimes can't even register all their players in a 25 man squad. Liverpool don't have Salah, Mane, Firmino, Jota and Diaz all in the starting XI.
Effectively this argument would infer that if Liverpool bought Dembele then probably the 'effective' wage of Diaz/Firmino/Jota or whatever goes up because they will play less games due to Dembele stealing games off them. I just don't like it. It's the overall total squad wage that really matters.
By this logic nearly all players have bigger salaries then because except keepers very few players play every match.
The analogy just doesn't wash with me because this isn't Dembele telling a club he will only play half the games. It's down to the club to structure a mutually agreeable contract offer, if they think he's injury prone or whatever then they adjust accordingly
Often it's the club that decides a player isn't playing a given match, not them.
Like you say if you have concerns about injuries then you structure the contract to suit, appearances bonuses and suchlike. You don't just go "ok we pay him £300k/week but book that as £600k/week because we expect him to miss half the games".
You only have to pay players their salary. If a player is on £300k/week (£15m/year) and plays one game a year out of say 50 you don't have to pay them £750m/year. The actual money changing hands doesn't change so it's not something that directly impacts the finances. So a player doesn't "cost a small fortune in wages" just because they have historically played fewer games. You could consider them not good value but it doesn't actually mean paying them more money.
I do understand if you have an entire squad full of sicknotes you would need more players and hence indirectly have increased costs but that still doesn't mean the player in question is actually getting any more money and these things are balanced out over big squads anyway. Like I say, it's exceedingly rare for an outfield player to play every single match anyway.
You also have insurance to cover injuries and potentially other scenarios that mean players can't play.
Don't want to get into a debate about Mane vs Dembele but if people are rolling out all these stats don't forget Dembele actually has a better ratio of goal involvements (goals plus assists) to appearances than Mane in league matches this season.
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Nobody is suggesting the actual amount you pay them changes 
Simple fact is if you have a player only available half a season then you have to have another player available for the other half OVER what you would usually have. Unavailability = more cost. Hell United are a perfect example of that. We've had to have an extra CB or 2 in our squad for years because our CB's have been so injury prone.
Simple fact is if you have a player only available half a season then you have to have another player available for the other half OVER what you would usually have. Unavailability = more cost. Hell United are a perfect example of that. We've had to have an extra CB or 2 in our squad for years because our CB's have been so injury prone.
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I'd bite PSGs hand off for £25 million so for £50 million I'll drive Keita there myself.
He came highly rated, he got injured lots, he had a couple of great games and a couple of shockers but his time at Liverpool can be summed up with one word, meh.
He came highly rated, he got injured lots, he had a couple of great games and a couple of shockers but his time at Liverpool can be summed up with one word, meh.
Looks like he's going to be a good signing, definitely the sort of player Newcastle should be spending their money on rather than ageing stars. I reckon Newcastle will be a v good side next season and will definitely finish top 8.
Brentford's main target has already publicly turned us down
Mudryk, who came on for Ukraine last night, looks a real talent but wants UCL football at Leverkusen.
I think we're just going to struggle to attract players this summer, given the competition, our poor (training) facilities and that every player seems to cost at least £20m. Although I don't think we'll lose anyone, unless we decide to shift David Raya for contract reasons.
Brentford's main target has already publicly turned us down
Mudryk, who came on for Ukraine last night, looks a real talent but wants UCL football at Leverkusen.I think we're just going to struggle to attract players this summer, given the competition, our poor (training) facilities and that every player seems to cost at least £20m. Although I don't think we'll lose anyone, unless we decide to shift David Raya for contract reasons.
Djimi?NUFC interested in Traore apparently. I hope it's not true