Summer Transfer Window 22/23


Well if thats his attitude, good bloody riddance.

He has always come across a bit of moody one. When was that time that Klopp subbed him and he refused to shake his hand when he came off? I think he done it a few times actually.
 
Mane obviously gone but wouldn’t be getting offended by his comments, I doubt meant to come across as disrespectful and a bit more light hearted

Man wants paid which he reportedly does good things with his money so fair enough (and win easy irrelevant league titles :p)
 
I'm not sure if people commenting haven't seen his interview or not. He wasn't being moody :confused: He was asked about his future and tries to jokingly brush the question off with what he said.

I'm not sure why any Liverpool fans are upset with him at all. He's 30 years old, we've had the best years of his career and he wants a new challenge. Half of you have been calling for him to be dropped for most of the past 18 months anyway! He's likely to get a final big contract, something I don't believe we'd give him and according to reports he's being told he'll be the main man at Bayern, something he's never been with us and moving forwards he's going to become even less important to our side.

There's a reason why he has just 12 months left on his contract and there's been little to no reports of contract talks with him and that's because I don't believe the club had any intention of keeping him beyond next summer at the latest. The way we play, particularly in attack, just isn't suited to older players. You only have to look at Mane's form in the 12-18 months prior to January to see that the workload had taken it's toll on him and he wasn't able to perform as he had for the 4 years previous. It's only since moving into a CF role that his form had picked up and it's no doubt that was largely down to the role being less physically demanding.

There is not a chance that we were going into next season extending the contracts of 3 x 30+ year old forwards. Salah's the only one I think the club would be willing to give a longer term deal to and even that is subject to the terms being right. In Diaz and Jota we've already gone a long way to replacing Mane and Firmino meaning both are going to play less and less moving forwards, leaving you with a decision as to whether to keep them for another season (+ maybe a 1 year extension (which Mane wouldn't accept imo)) or moving them on now. In an ideal world you'd keep Mane for the season and cash in on Firmino now but we don't live in ideal worlds - I don't think Mane accepts being a squad player moving forwards (Firmino would) and you're not receiving a meaningful fee for Firmino this summer where as you still would for Mane. Mane moving on and us looking to find the new Mane this summer just makes sense for all parties imo.

These players aren't going to play forever and it's far easier to replace them with £40m from selling one now than with nothing in 12 or 24 months. I honestly believe had covid not hit that the club may have looked to sell Mane or even Salah 12 months earlier, receiving an even larger fee to fund the next generation of the front line.
 
I dont think any sane Liverpool fan begrudges him a move, he's been phenomenal for us and kick started the Klopp journey. I do think he should just come out and say he's off though rather than how it's currently unfolding.
 
He can't simply say he's off though, not until a deal has been agreed with Liverpool and Bayern or whoever. Imagine saying that and then Bayern don't stump up the money to make it worthwhile selling him?
 
They've agreed personal terms by all reports, and apparently there's a couple of million difference between the 2 valuations. Him saying it's time for the next chapter would have zero impact on the potential deal. Take lewandowski for example, he's said I'm off and Bayern have set the price if Barca don't stump up the cash he doesn't move, pretty simple.
 
They've agreed personal terms by all reports, and apparently there's a couple of million difference between the 2 valuations. Him saying it's time for the next chapter would have zero impact on the potential deal. Take lewandowski for example, he's said I'm off and Bayern have set the price if Barca don't stump up the cash he doesn't move, pretty simple.
And Lewandowski has burned all bridges with Bayern fans if that doesn't happen. It's clear that Mane wants to leave but he doesn't want to come out and commit to anything until a deal has been agreed (unless he feels he needs to, to force a deal through). Imo it's far more respectful for a player to say what he needs to say privately to his club and wait for events to unfold rather than give a running commentary of their desire to leave.
 
And Lewandowski has burned all bridges with Bayern fans if that doesn't happen. It's clear that Mane wants to leave but he doesn't want to come out and commit to anything until a deal has been agreed (unless he feels he needs to, to force a deal through). Imo it's far more respectful for a player to say what he needs to say privately to his club and wait for events to unfold rather than give a running commentary of their desire to leave.
Did Suarez 'burn his bridges' with us after his comments re Arsenal?
 
Did Suarez 'burn his bridges' with us after his comments re Arsenal?
With a number of supporters at the time, yes. Same with Coutinho. Football supporters are very fickle though and once said player performs well for a few games they love them again, until the next issue. You only have to look at the reaction from some Liverpool supporters to these comments from Mane to see that many have already got upset with him.
 
With a number of supporters at the time, yes. Same with Coutinho. Football supporters are very fickle though and once said player performs well for a few games they love them again, until the next issue. You only have to look at the reaction from some Liverpool supporters to these comments from Mane to see that many have already got upset with him.
Twitter's a **** hole dude, its not reflective of the fanbase.
 
Twitter's a **** hole dude, its not reflective of the fanbase.
Who mentioned twitter? Look at Tombstone's post on here! And this is a result of Mane not wanting to directly say anything, imagine if he went all out and said he was leaving.

Mane wants to leave and he wants to do so on good terms. I think the club and him are both on the same page but neither want to be too committal, to be seen in the fans eyes, as either him forcing his way out or the club kicking him out.
 
Look at Tombstone's post on here! And this is a result of Mane not wanting to directly say anything, imagine if he went all out and said he was leaving.
I'd expect Tombstone's response is because in his eyes that sort of statement is 'disrespectful' to the club, maybe he'd be more rational if Mane would say he wants a new challenge as he'd won everything there is to win with us?

@Tombstone would probably be the best person to clarify how he'd feel though.
 
Maybe but one thing is for sure, whatever Mane says somebody would have taken exception to it. As I said, he wants to leave on good terms and is doing what he thinks is best. I'm not sure how anything he's said would upset anybody or what him saying "it's time for a new challenge" changes. We know that's what he thinks and wants anyway.
 
I'm not sure if people commenting haven't seen his interview or not. He wasn't being moody :confused: He was asked about his future and tries to jokingly brush the question off with what he said.

I'm not sure why any Liverpool fans are upset with him at all. He's 30 years old, we've had the best years of his career and he wants a new challenge. Half of you have been calling for him to be dropped for most of the past 18 months anyway! He's likely to get a final big contract, something I don't believe we'd give him and according to reports he's being told he'll be the main man at Bayern, something he's never been with us and moving forwards he's going to become even less important to our side.

There's a reason why he has just 12 months left on his contract and there's been little to no reports of contract talks with him and that's because I don't believe the club had any intention of keeping him beyond next summer at the latest. The way we play, particularly in attack, just isn't suited to older players. You only have to look at Mane's form in the 12-18 months prior to January to see that the workload had taken it's toll on him and he wasn't able to perform as he had for the 4 years previous. It's only since moving into a CF role that his form had picked up and it's no doubt that was largely down to the role being less physically demanding.

There is not a chance that we were going into next season extending the contracts of 3 x 30+ year old forwards. Salah's the only one I think the club would be willing to give a longer term deal to and even that is subject to the terms being right. In Diaz and Jota we've already gone a long way to replacing Mane and Firmino meaning both are going to play less and less moving forwards, leaving you with a decision as to whether to keep them for another season (+ maybe a 1 year extension (which Mane wouldn't accept imo)) or moving them on now. In an ideal world you'd keep Mane for the season and cash in on Firmino now but we don't live in ideal worlds - I don't think Mane accepts being a squad player moving forwards (Firmino would) and you're not receiving a meaningful fee for Firmino this summer where as you still would for Mane. Mane moving on and us looking to find the new Mane this summer just makes sense for all parties imo.

These players aren't going to play forever and it's far easier to replace them with £40m from selling one now than with nothing in 12 or 24 months. I honestly believe had covid not hit that the club may have looked to sell Mane or even Salah 12 months earlier, receiving an even larger fee to fund the next generation of the front line.

If he was just joking then fair enough, the bit I didnt like was when he said "I don’t really have any feelings for this club anymore", considering that virtually everything he has won in his career he won since coming to Liverpool I felt that was an out of order thing to say but if it was said in jest then ok. I'm also not sure what he meant by "I don’t respect the top category of the club after certain situations." Dont know what "top category" means, I've always felt that the higher realms of the club have been pretty good since the ownership change. Havent seen much in them recently that would make me no longer respect them
 
Where did he say this? That wasn't in the clip of the interview I saw nor any articles on the interview.
Oh, my apologies, when you said that people hadnt seen his interview, I assumed you had seen the whole of his interview. He said it during the interview, as with the not respecting the top category of the club quote I put above.

I should add that it could be that something is lost in translation, the interview was conducted in wolof of course and ironically Mane's own grasp of wolof isnt superb and most likely neither is that of most of the journalists at the press conference. So lets hope its all just a translation issue because unless a club has treated you very badly thats just not something any footballer should say about their club, no matter how much they want to leave.
 
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Oh, my apologies, when you said that people hadnt seen his interview, I assumed you had seen the whole of his interview. He said it during the interview, as with the not respecting the top category of the club quote I put above.
The only quotes or clips that I've seen or seen reported are the comments about a twitter poll of Senegalese fans and him half jokingly saying he'll do what they want. I can't see what you've said in the link you quoted.

If, as you say, he's said he has issues with the top category of the club then I can only assume that relates to the fact they've not made any meaningful attempt to extend his stay. Like Wijnaldum last summer, extending players contracts when they're around 30 years old isn't easy. Wijnaldum, Mane and Salah can all say they are or were pivotal members of the Liverpool side and deserve a contract that reflects that fact. The club though have to look beyond that and won't want to commit to paying huge money to a player that's no longer pivotal to the side. This is why you get these impasses with the player, justifiably wanting a big deal and the club, also justifiably, not wanting to offer a straight x years and x amount of money but a more structured deal.
 
The only quotes or clips that I've seen or seen reported are the comments about a twitter poll of Senegalese fans and him half jokingly saying he'll do what they want. I can't see what you've said in the link you quoted.

If, as you say, he's said he has issues with the top category of the club then I can only assume that relates to the fact they've not made any meaningful attempt to extend his stay. Like Wijnaldum last summer, extending players contracts when they're around 30 years old isn't easy. Wijnaldum, Mane and Salah can all say they are or were pivotal members of the Liverpool side and deserve a contract that reflects that fact. The club though have to look beyond that and won't want to commit to paying huge money to a player that's no longer pivotal to the side. This is why you get these impasses with the player, justifiably wanting a big deal and the club, also justifiably, not wanting to offer a straight x years and x amount of money but a more structured deal.

This sort of thing happens all the time, it drives me absolutely potty that people in all walks of life cannot just say what the hell they mean. People are all like politicians at times, they skirt round crap , never really saying what they mean.

Instead of saying cryptic nonsense which is open to interpretation why dont people say precisely what they intend to say, surely if everyone spoke with clarity then nobody would ever misinterpret what they are saying. Take your example there, I would agree that if he does have an issue with the top category then maybe its because of a lack of effort to extend his stay. So instead of saying things which could be read wrong why not simply state, openly, with full clarity... "I want to move on, I've gone as far as I can with Liverpool, its been a brilliant ride with a lot of success and I've had a great time here but I'm now at an age where I'm beyond the scope of what contracts Liverpool are able to provide at this stage of my career and thats coincided with me wanting to seek out a new challenge in a new league"

Simple, straight forward, clear, precise.

Or better still, if thats simply too eloquent for him, just say "I want to move on because Liverpool cant offer me the contract that I want at this point in my career, so I'm looking for a new future in a new league" - even more simple and straight forward and clear and precise.
 
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