Summer Transfer Window 22/23

why on earth would Botman if asked Do you want to go to Newcastle or AC Milan, say Newcastle rather than AC Milan?
  • More money
  • English speaking (most Dutch have a reasonable understanding of English)
  • Probably more likely to get in the team
  • Less pressure
  • Amazing manager, spend an hour speaking football with him and you'll be dying to sign up
 
I dont really get the Botman and Ekitike deals, I thought there were a few clubs who wanted Botman and Ekitike, cant really understand why either of them would pick Newcastle over those other clubs. Weren't AC Milan interested in Botman a while ago? If they still are, why on earth would Botman if asked Do you want to go to Newcastle or AC Milan, say Newcastle rather than AC Milan? Tbh, I'm not convinced that Newcastle will get most of these continually linked players, its one thing to make a bid or have the money, its another thing for the player to want to come to Newcastle rather than a more "prestigious" club

As much as it pains me (Boro fan) I think Newcastle are the bigger draw right now, yeah AC just won the league, but Newcastle will be able to offer more money and the EPL is by far the biggest league in the world, if you can come here to the potential of playing in a club that is going to be on the upward trajectory with the money behind them, I think its an exciting project to get on.

Also I genuinely think we might see an "outsider" potentially do well in the league this season with the WC break coming in. You think pretty much the whole starting 11 (bar Robertson & Mahrez from what I can think) of Liverpool & City are going to the World Cup, is there potential to come back knackered and struggle the second half? Then theres good numbers from Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, United. Whereas Newcastle have probably what? 3 players going? The rest get some good R&R/training in before ready to go for second half of the season.
 
Not convinced by Nunez, especially not at the prices quoted but then Liverpool have a horrible knack of generally buying the right players and getting the most from them.
 
  • More money
  • English speaking (most Dutch have a reasonable understanding of English)
  • Probably more likely to get in the team
  • Less pressure
  • Amazing manager, spend an hour speaking football with him and you'll be dying to sign up
We'll see. IMO players still want to go to the bigger clubs. I'm still of the opinion that if someone said to Botman, the choice is yours, the money offered is the same so its your choice, Newcastle or AC Milan...I still reckon he would pick AC Milan each time.
 
As much as it pains me (Boro fan) I think Newcastle are the bigger draw right now, yeah AC just won the league, but Newcastle will be able to offer more money and the EPL is by far the biggest league in the world, if you can come here to the potential of playing in a club that is going to be on the upward trajectory with the money behind them, I think its an exciting project to get on.

Also I genuinely think we might see an "outsider" potentially do well in the league this season with the WC break coming in. You think pretty much the whole starting 11 (bar Robertson & Mahrez from what I can think) of Liverpool & City are going to the World Cup, is there potential to come back knackered and struggle the second half? Then theres good numbers from Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, United. Whereas Newcastle have probably what? 3 players going? The rest get some good R&R/training in before ready to go for second half of the season.
I think you may be right, we might see an outsider do well in the league this season but I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that outsider isnt going to be Newcastle. I just dont see it and I think that people are getting all a little carried away in regard of Newcastle just because they have cash to wave about.
 
The Ox to United? That's kinda came out of nowhere, any confirmed sources from anyone reliable?

Nothing in that I think, but no thanks, he'll join Phil Jones as a permanent fixture on the treatment table.

Some slightly more positive noises coming out about De Jong, but we'll see... think it's critical we get that done as Ten Hag wants the team built around him.
 
I think you may be right, we might see an outsider do well in the league this season but I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that outsider isnt going to be Newcastle. I just dont see it and I think that people are getting all a little carried away in regard of Newcastle just because they have cash to wave about.
Depends what people mean by do well, have a non traditional team break into top 4? Top 7? For me next season will the the same as usual, Liverpool and Man City 20 points ahead of 3rd (spurs or chelsea) with 5th between the likes of man u/Arsenal - I just hope the rest of the league isnt as **** as its been for the past few years.
 
If Liverpool get him I honestly believe he'll score more than Haaland does for City next season. In fact, I'll probably put a bet on it if the odds are decent.

Ooh big claims there my friend. I would take that bet. Only thing that will make that happen is if Haaland gets injured a lot IMO.
 
Depends what people mean by do well, have a non traditional team break into top 4? Top 7? For me next season will the the same as usual, Liverpool and Man City 20 points ahead of 3rd (spurs or chelsea) with 5th between the likes of man u/Arsenal - I just hope the rest of the league isnt as **** as its been for the past few years.

I got a sneaky feeling Chelsea won't do anywhere near as well next season. They could be the ones getting pushed out the top 4, their defence needs some massive investment and IF United do get FDJ/Timber and some others ETH might be able to push hard for third.
 
Nothing in that I think, but no thanks, he'll join Phil Jones as a permanent fixture on the treatment table.

Some slightly more positive noises coming out about De Jong, but we'll see... think it's critical we get that done as Ten Hag wants the team built around him.
I just find it unbelievable that we aren't executing plans. Same old crap and non committal terminology.
 
A 30 second search tells me that those interviewed on Under the Cosh are mostly old (90s or earlier) or 2nd rate players. Maybe that was the case for them, in that era but at PL level today clubs are not carrying out negotiations with a club without knowing whether that player will join them, and that will involve a broad agreement on contract details.
It doesn't matter what level they are the method won't change because it's PL. Even the PL players on there state they go to clubs to agree terms when told by the club a deal has been agreed. It's not exactly strange to see players go to agree personal terms after a club has agreed to sell them either. Take Rooney he didn't agree personal terms before the club (everton) made the decision to sell him. But I am sure they will have an idea what he would accept. The ex Liverpool keeper who had the mental health issues whose name escapes me mentions the tapping up Liverpool did.
 
It doesn't matter what level they are the method won't change because it's PL. Even the PL players on there state they go to clubs to agree terms when told by the club a deal has been agreed. It's not exactly strange to see players go to agree personal terms after a club has agreed to sell them either. Take Rooney he didn't agree personal terms before the club (everton) made the decision to sell him. But I am sure they will have an idea what he would accept. The ex Liverpool keeper who had the mental health issues whose name escapes me mentions the tapping up Liverpool did.
It happens 99% of the time, take the fella man u are trying to get from Barca, reports this morning they've finally agreed personal terms and now just have to agree the fee.
 
It doesn't matter what level they are the method won't change because it's PL. Even the PL players on there state they go to clubs to agree terms when told by the club a deal has been agreed. It's not exactly strange to see players go to agree personal terms after a club has agreed to sell them either. Take Rooney he didn't agree personal terms before the club (everton) made the decision to sell him. But I am sure they will have an idea what he would accept. The ex Liverpool keeper who had the mental health issues whose name escapes me mentions the tapping up Liverpool did.
It does matter what level they're at because outside the PL players often have far shorter contracts and live year to year. So when a player with 12 months on his deal and no idea where the next contract is coming from is told we're selling you to x, they have less of a say in the matter.

And you saying Rooney didn't agree personal terms before Utd made their bid doesn't make it true. Below is a 2 minute segment from a recent Roy Keane interview where he explains just how his move to Utd came about, stating that he received a call from Fergie and agreed his contract with Utd prior to Utd agreeing any deal with Forest. He also comments on how this is common place in football and this was in the early 90s.


All clubs do it and it's easy to understand why. No buying club wants to go through the process of negotiating with a selling club only to be left red faced when said player turns them down. Similarly, no selling club wants to push their player out of the door and be left with an unhappy player when it turns out said player doesn't want to join x.
 
They don't all do it. Watch the Kevin Campbell one, every one of his deals was him getting told a bid had been accepted. Anyway I can't be bothered to go round in circles while you avoid just admitting your 99% of deals was agreed with the player first statement is wrong. While you move the goal posts of what you meant. How long ago and what level of football it meant.
I strongly suspect, with 99% of transfers and not just this one, that personal terms are the first thing that's agreed before any negotiations between the clubs.
Is incorrect.
 
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