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None of that would factor in until next years accounts at the earliest though you’d have thought.
Summer Transfer Window 23/24
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True, but we've not had bad losses over 3 years - only the last 1.5 so it may balance out.
Honestly though I'm not 100% on where any team stands in terms of their FFP commitments. Man Utd may be quite high on their wage / turnover in the past three years if they account for cassimero, pogba, DDG, Ronaldo etc who are / were on extraordinary contracts during that time. But again I'm not 100% certain on what counts or not.
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Face it, you’re gonna do a City and invent companies for sponsorship deals.
No, I don't expect us to spend huge this summer. I also don't expect us to gain insane sponsorship as I know everything we do is going under the microscope.
My point was that when you have a kit sponsorship for 5M a season, a shirt sponsor for 2.5M a season and a Stadium sponsor for 0M a season, there's a lot of headroom when going to fair market rate for a CL chasing side. So a vetted 30M shirt sponsor is a huge deal to a team like us over 3 years, where for the likes of Arsenal, Spurs, Man Utd it's stagnation or a step down.
It's not like we were already 80% of the way and want to make up another magic 80% on top to take us miles ahead, it won't happen.
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The difference is we have massive reach and revenue that Newcastle cannot even dream of. It takes decades of success to get to those levels or cheat like City.
Oh don't get me wrong - we're not spending anywhere near the big 6.
What will be interesting is if "Fair market Value" from independent third parties brings some contract renewals of the Big 6 down, especially those who start to underperform.
Weren't your current shirt sponsors paying around 6.5 million? Not sure where you've got the 2.5m a season from?
I don't think you'll be going down the route of man city and making sponsors up out of thin air, but I do think they will keep a tight leash on 'fair market deals', and who exactly sponsors you (quite rightly too). The rumored 25mll a year deal in the offing is bordering on an inflated figure for example imo.
It was probably from reddit - so pinch of salt. Our sleeve sponsor I know was worth more than FUN88.
In regards to the 25, I don't think it's overinflated if spurs' figure is correct at roughly twice that. But what I DO hope is that when Man Utd, Liverpool etc are renewed they're not allowed to have sponsors worth 4-5 times that of the people chasing their heels. Otherwise it just affirms how rigged FFP is.
I wrote something the other month regarding this (in relation to Utd iirc) but people seem to be forgetting that UEFA's FFP rules are changing from next season. Clubs no longer just have to break even (within a certain margin of error) but there are also transfer fee and wage spending caps linked to revenue. It will eventually drop to 70% but from next season clubs are only allowed to spend 90% of revenue (plus profit on player sales) on wages and transfer fee amortisation.
Now obviously Newcastle weren't in Europe last season and the rules don't begin until next season but just to give an idea of how the rules work, using Newcastle's last set of published accounts as an example: Newcastle's revenue was just under £180m and had profit on player sales of just under £6m. Under the new FFP rules that would mean Newcastle's wagebill and amortisation could be no more than £167.4m. Newcastle's wagebill was £170m and their amortisation was approx £51m meaning they would have been £54m over UEFA's spending cap. So in short, even if Newcastle's wages and amortisation haven't increased from the 21/22 season (they obviously will have thanks to spending last summer and no doubt again this summer), Newcastle's revenue would need to grow to approx £245m to meet UEFA's new spending cap.
Now obviously Newcastle weren't in Europe last season and the rules don't begin until next season but just to give an idea of how the rules work, using Newcastle's last set of published accounts as an example: Newcastle's revenue was just under £180m and had profit on player sales of just under £6m. Under the new FFP rules that would mean Newcastle's wagebill and amortisation could be no more than £167.4m. Newcastle's wagebill was £170m and their amortisation was approx £51m meaning they would have been £54m over UEFA's spending cap. So in short, even if Newcastle's wages and amortisation haven't increased from the 21/22 season (they obviously will have thanks to spending last summer and no doubt again this summer), Newcastle's revenue would need to grow to approx £245m to meet UEFA's new spending cap.
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Stadium rights are another way in which City are shady. A 400m 10 year deal for naming rights is ludicrous. Fly Emirates, a bigger company, gave Arsenal £90m over 15 years. ££40m a year is insane. Oh, and the Etihad sponsorship deal was mostly paid for by City’s owners. Corrupt to the core.
Both the City and Arsenal deals were shirt and stadium naming rights combined, with the stadium element worth only a small percentage of the total. The value of stadium naming rights, at least in the UK, is peanuts. Even Arsenal's renewed Emirates deal only pays them approx £4m per season for the stadium naming rights. Spurs are now nearly 5 years on from when their stadium was due to open and they've still not found a naming rights partner, similarly neither has the Olympic Stadium.
Think I’ve always said it’s wages we can’t compete on.
With regards to transfers that’s why you are seeing us move for players that can play in multiple positions. Smaller more flexible squad.
Quite a few players are heading for the exit this summer some in pretty decent wages also.
Our shirt sponsorship have more than tripled. Noon paid more for the sleeve than fun88 as the main one last season for example.
Failing that I believe Amanda is still friendly with City as she was involved in the sale of the club.
I’m sure she has still got a phone number or two for their accounts department!!!
With regards to transfers that’s why you are seeing us move for players that can play in multiple positions. Smaller more flexible squad.
Quite a few players are heading for the exit this summer some in pretty decent wages also.
Our shirt sponsorship have more than tripled. Noon paid more for the sleeve than fun88 as the main one last season for example.
Failing that I believe Amanda is still friendly with City as she was involved in the sale of the club.
I’m sure she has still got a phone number or two for their accounts department!!!
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Apparently Sanchez wants to come back to a premier league club, haven’t watched much of him lately, what level would you say could he still play at? Top 6, mid table Villa, Fulham etc, or strugglers, Forest, Luton, Bournemouth etc?
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Tbh he was past it at Utd, maybe a midtable club but really he would be better off playing in serie a
Sky Germany reporting we held talks.
Him or Madders? Toss a coin lol. Higher fee and less wages versus smaller fee big wages for Madders?
Szoboszlai plays on the Right or Left and as CAM better defensive work rate. Madders proved he can do it in the premiership.
Him or Madders? Toss a coin lol. Higher fee and less wages versus smaller fee big wages for Madders?
Szoboszlai plays on the Right or Left and as CAM better defensive work rate. Madders proved he can do it in the premiership.
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PSG trying to get their dirty little claws into Odegaard 
What reason does Odegaard have to go there? Same with Rice and Bayern....why would they?PSG trying to get their dirty little claws into Odegaard
Ugarte to Chelsea for 60+ million apparently. Cant say ive seen him play a lot but by all accounts a v good player.
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Money maybe. Probably give him half a million a week once Messi’s gone, the nutcases
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To win something?