Supplements the debate/discussion thread

Oh I've realised what the SP250 Fruit Punch tastes like. Anti-biotics. The kind you get when you're a kid and they try to make it taste nice.

Edit: Was going to say FF that looks like quite a lot but like you say the quantities are small. I was going to say it looks like you're going all out but with a program such as AGVT/GVT its probaly worth it as you'll deffinatley get more benefit than usual from it.

I've always wondered when people make thier own mass gainers for example and mix whey/oats etc all up. Weather they're doing it one massive tub and have questioned how you know if you're getting the expected amounts of everything? Like say too much oats of too much protein than you were aiming for? Sure you're monthly total of everything is in there but you might end up with different ratios in each scoop. I supposed the same could be said for the whey I'm using which has BCAA's and L-glutamine in it. I guess it's just mixed thoroughly? Seems like a silly question.
 
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Like any product you buy in powder form you're never going to get a good even consistency ever. That's just the way it is. I'm still toying with the idea of blending all of it together or just measure out the amounts and store them individually in different pots etc... or make one mega mix. It works out significantly cheaper than buy pre-made stacks and so on so will be saving myself a decent amount of money doing it this way. Faff? Yes. I've done AGVT before with minimal supps, I've studied all these supps and have trialed them all - in regular training they provide very little benefits even for the likes of me - but for a program like AGVT I think it'll help. I'll be able to tell you when I do AGVT - as I did it before and suffered a lot! :D So if this makes it a bit "easier" and I'll be able to gauge my progress and recovery and protein synthesis.
 
FF that sounds like an interesting idea, as the ingredients you listed seem to be the most prominent one in the stack I'm using at the moment! Thread with pics demanded on the making plez! :D
 
Kappa said:
FF that sounds like an interesting idea, as the ingredients you listed seem to be the most prominent one in the stack I'm using at the moment! Thread with pics demanded on the making plez! :D
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Hehe - I've played with supps over the years but seldom use them and save them for intense programs as I don't believe that my training requires them really (but intense programs are different!). If I'm going to be pushing my body through hell I want to make sure I help it in the best way possible, and for the sake of 60 days I can leave aside my "anti supps" philosophy. ;)
 
Deffinatley.

I probaly won't tackle AGVT until the summer when I'm at home as I won't be busy with Uni and won't be changing gyms and will have the space and time for it all.

However I'd be interested in how you got on with your stack and might make a slightly smaller one myself. I've been interested in HMB and when I run out of ZMA might give it a go. I probaly don't have time/patience to trial them all so providing I can afford them will just see how I get on.

Nearer the time/after if you could breakdown which one's you think are 'essential' I'd appreciate it :)

Edit: Suck the myostatin out of me please!
 
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I think HMB is deffinatley on my list once the ZMA runs out. My brother banged on about it a bit but I wasn't really listening.

Taking 5grams a day with 1KG costing £33 = 200 days worth. I'd probaly get the capping kit and gel caps too as I can't be doing with mixing a pitiful amount with water all the time!
 
I have a friend that has a capping kit... so I'm tempted to make up my "magic" combo and get him to cap them for me... but we'll see. Maybe I'll just add some cinnamon or something like that to take the taste away!
 
Cinnamon's ace. I've got a spice shop 50 meters down on my road when I'm at Uni. Get a 100gram bag of cinnamon powder for £1.20. He's also got more spices than I have hairs on my head, it's a proper Indian spice shop.

Shame I'm not really in to experimenting in the kitchen. If you're ever going to be passing through Lincoln and fancy a browse give us a heads up I know how you're quite a Connoisseur when it comes to taste.
 
Cool - if I ever I do pass up Lincoln way, I'm taking you down to the gym! :D (Sounds rather saucy doesn't it! ;)).

Love spices, love cooking - I just have to buy over priced crap from the supermarket :o :(
 
Freefaller said:
I have a friend that has a capping kit... so I'm tempted to make up my "magic" combo and get him to cap them for me... but we'll see. Maybe I'll just add some cinnamon or something like that to take the taste away!
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I always wondered about this, how much 'mass' does that concoction take for 1 serving? Surely a good few caps?
 
You can get different sized caps, ones for 100mg (tiny), 250mg, 400mg and so on (I think the biggest he can use on his kit is 1000mg). He takes his gym stuff very seriously and has a part of his utility room zoned off specifically for this. It makes his life easier if he spends 30-60mins one weekend, which provides him with enough caps for several weeks. It means he doesn't have to faff around with measuring powders during the week and can carry his supps with him easily and pop 'em when he needs them. It's over kill for the likes of us - but if I can get him to do it for me it'd make my life a lot easier. What I'd do is mix up all the supps together to make my "super stack" which means I only have to take one type - which suits me fine! However, it might just be as easy to mix it up and just use scoops. Being out by 100mg or so is really not a big issue.

I'm only toying with the idea at the moment - I might just end up going for creatine, cissus (for joint care and anti catabolic/cortisol) and EEAs. We'll see - I've worked it all out though, and researched it - slightly bored of the research now though! :D
 
It's a man date ;)

Fitspace would probaly be the best bet.

I think with the size '00' you can get about 1-1.5grams of powder in. It also depends on what the powder is as certain ones will be heavier than others.

There's a way to figure it out, but only once you've brought it (weight 100 grams of caps and 1000grams of powder and see how many you fill up and then do the math). A capping kit is £15 and caps are dead cheap. It looks like fun to me too! :rolleyes::p

I think I'm going to stop the ZMA now as the Zinc or something in it might be stopping me sleeping properly. I sleep but I don't feel I've been in a 'deep' enough sleep to wake up feeling fresh. I wake up no longer tired but I feel a bit bleeerghh. Which might have something to do why I'm getting such a harshcome down of the SP250. I have gotten a bit hairer and a bit hornier but it could be to do with the weather being extremely cold.

So I'll stop the ZMA for a few days and see if my sleep improves. If it does then I'll ditch the ZMA. I know PAz was interested so if you want what I've got left which is probaly around 20-30 caps I'll post them to you if you like?
 
I'm starting to seriously push the alkaline diet. And introducing greens drinks into my diet. The more I read and research about body alkalinity the more I realise how important it is.
 
Freefaller said:
I'm starting to seriously push the alkaline diet. And introducing greens drinks into my diet. The more I read and research about body alkalinity the more I realise how important it is.
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Care to summarise briefly for us n00bs?

A quick google returned some information about the body's Ph levels?
 
I found this rather interesting too:

http://blogs.healthfreedomalliance....vitamin-c-saves-nz-man-with-flu-damaged-lung/

alkaline diet
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...also ties in with an article I read this week about a woman who cured her rheumatoid arthritis by consuming vinegar and honey. her doctor was flabbergasted by it and went on to make the rather peculiar comment about it having worked for her but may not work for anybody else. As a doctor I would have been interested in why it worked for her prior to making that comment.
 
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I just take Amino Acid capsules, EFA capsules, multi-nutrient capsules from Maximuscle, my body doesn't seem to appreciate protein powders and energy drinks, it seems to affect my psoriasis, so i stick to capsules and find they are just as good as the powders. To a certain extent, it's a good thing because it keeps me relatively strict and focused on what i put into my mouth and keeps me training as well, so that my lifestyle is a healthy one.
 
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Benny06 said:
Care to summarise briefly for us n00bs?

A quick google returned some information about the body's Ph levels?
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The basic theory is that your body prefers to be slightly alkaline rather than acidic. Now I'm not going over board on it, but concentrating on improving my body's alkalinity and keeping a healthier balance. It's all about balance. You shouldn't stray more one way than the other. However it has meant a big reduction in red meat for me, which I've actually been fine with, though even fish is slightly acidic, but not as much as red meat. However, this is a balance, besides I've just had a steak - there's no denying that the nutritional contents of good quality meat is always going to be beneficial for bodybuilding, size and strength. You can't lean out a prop, or a strong man, it's pointless. It's about tailoring it to suit your lifestyle, goals and requirements.

There's lots of interesting articles on there, some to be taken with a pinch of salt, some to be read with interest. I'm not one to tell you which is right or wrong, however read some of these and make up your own mind. :)

http://www.sethigherstandards.com/energize-your-life-by-alkalizing-your-body/

http://articlesofhealth.blogspot.com/

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/acid_alkaline_imbalance.htm

What is being made clear as a point is that eating green based vegetables, and increasing your vegetable and non animal protein is sensible and a good way of keeping your body better balanced. Of course your body balances itself, but if you can help it more by changing your diet so much the better? So many people eat stacks and stacks of red meat without really thinking about how it affects their body. Now don't get me wrong, a balanced diet is perfect and you shouldn't need to change anything. But in this game we're pushing ourselves and want our bodies to respond, so we become slightly extreme and often go OTT, and forget the importance of "balance".

Simple things like bicarb, or the lemon drink water is a good way of boosting alkalinity. Especially if you've had an animal rich based food. Hitting things like 9 fruit/veg per day is conducive to redressing the balance if you eat lots of animal proteins. Things like greens drinks, and a highly alkalising foods allows for optimum clearance of toxins and encouraging cellular health (and as a result better synthesis and cellular activity within the body.)

Don't take this as, become a vegan/vegetarian, it's not necessary, however think about the ratio of meat to alkaline foods you consume.

I think it's interesting, and whilst I'm not living by it word for word, it's definitely got me considering a more careful approach to keeping my feeding sensible and more conscientious.
 
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