Supplements the debate/discussion thread

jordan282 said:
wes you seem to know your stuff.

I am currently trying to lose body fat and increase strength and power. I currently train twice a week for rugby and play once a week. I also do a ludicrously hard circuit Monday and Wednesday which is all power exercises(flipping tyres etc). At the moment I have 2 scoops of protein(USN IFG1) a day combined with 3 scoops ground oats mixed with half water and half milk (recently started adding creatine monohydrate) twice a day for breakfast and when I get in from work. I also have a healthy lunch veg/meat and carbs and the same for dinner. My snacks are ryvita and peanut butter or home made protein bars made from oats and protein powder. I also take 1 scoop of whey with water when I Finnish any exercise. Any other supps/changes you could recommend?
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Supps will not help with any of that. Diet, and training is key to losing bodyfat, building strength and power. Supps, will only add to your daily intake of macros/calories. Some, of course, may give you a boost in energy, and others will help increase cell volume owing to it's hydroscopic effects (i.e. creatine). No supplement alone will make you stronger, leaner, etc... unless you're starting to venture down the "questionable" route, and even then diet and training will have more of an impact.

Don't believe the hype of all the plastered "makes you stronger, leaner, more powerful" slogans on these supps.

The right supps, with the right diet, and the right training can possibly help. Shoving lots of things down your throat and keeping everything else the same will achieve little.
 
Never saw that post.

Jordan, i'm still learning about nutrition and training everyday, for example, i'm currently looking at Lean Gains which is rather interesting and i'm going to try it out. Supplements aren't a necessity, but they can help you if you need the extra protein for example, but whole food/real food is the way forward.

I would say i know various things about nutrition and training, but they're a lot of things i don't know, which is why i'm still researching everyday of the week to expand my knowledge, for example, i overdosed on vitamins and minerals, i had chronic headaches and blurry vision for a few days this week due to excessive intake.
 
There is so much psuedo science surrounding commercial supps. They prey on everything that makes a lifter a lifter. Desire for an edge, propensity to associate muscular physiques and strong no nonsense language, with success and glory.

Every tub, every slogan, every piece of text on those things is saying "i know your a fat and or skinny useless human being who is far too stupid to understand basic metabolic biology, so instead just take these magic beans, sprinkled with a mysterious powder made from giantus musculus extract, then go back down the pub and await miracles."

Proper diet is all that counts coupled with proper training regimen, supplements are just that i use them as and when i need more of something than my diet can proviode, i wont lie sometimes that could be 5 shakes a day and a plate of chips in an emergency, but at least i would be hitting my metabolic macro goals.
 
Got my little supp delivery today.

I highly suggest you try biox power whey, my god what taste it's on par if not better than myofusion, yet it's cheaper and has far better macros, and it's low in lactose so should keep my guts trembling to a minimum.

Tried a sample of oxyelite pro, that had my heart up quite a bit, and im used to strong stims, a bit heady if anything.

But i'll be on shredabull later on, im on keto and im a good responder to rhodiola rosea.
 
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jordan282 said:
wes you seem to know your stuff.

I am currently trying to lose body fat and increase strength and power. I currently train twice a week for rugby and play once a week. I also do a ludicrously hard circuit Monday and Wednesday which is all power exercises(flipping tyres etc). At the moment I have 2 scoops of protein(USN IFG1) a day combined with 3 scoops ground oats mixed with half water and half milk (recently started adding creatine monohydrate) twice a day for breakfast and when I get in from work. I also have a healthy lunch veg/meat and carbs and the same for dinner. My snacks are ryvita and peanut butter or home made protein bars made from oats and protein powder. I also take 1 scoop of whey with water when I Finnish any exercise. Any other supps/changes you could recommend?
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Too much mentioning of supps there my good man. Look carefully at what they are called, 'supplements'. The purely supplement a good program with proper nutrition and a proper workout plan. That is the ONLY way to achieve the desired effect. No amount of fatburners, whey or creatine is going to help if your diet is bad and your training not up to par. It's also not easy so don't even bother looking for quick fixes or easy avenues, I've been looking for 16 years. There's is none :(
 
LiE said:
Too many girls in this thread talking about flavour! Man up and drink the unflavoured stuff :p
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I originally bought unflavoured as it was cheaper and contained higher amounts of protein by not having the flavouring. Ended up using vanilla essence to cover the taste as the after taste wasn't very pleasant, it also was quite powdery as it didn't mix to well. Second batch I ordered chocolate and that ended up being too sweet, so now I mix 50/50 of both into a tub and I get the best of both :D

MW
 
I stick with unflavoured but the pack I am on at the moment from MP says its unflavoured but is actually Vanilla and the taste is just to sugary! :(

I like the unflavoured stuff.
 
Am I doing this ok?

The Backstory:
I've been overweight for the past decade mainly due to not being active and not being too strict on my diet.

The Routine:
2 months ago I started gym at work 3 days a week where I do in order:

Abs
20 min xtrainer (on a hard for me level - last 2.5 mins is an all out sprint - I can hardly stand or breathe afterwards)
Either back + triceps / chest + biceps / shoulders + traps
Forearms

I currently have a calcified shoulder which I'm getting steroid (non anabolic) injections for and so I can't do shoulders at all, so they're a weak point :(

The Diet:
Anyway, I started a detox at the beginning of this month

No alcohol, sweets, fizzy drinks
No wheat or dairy
No sugar or added salt
No pastas, spaghetti etc

The Supplements:
I also take 1 MP Alphamen multivit and 1 Super Omega 3 with breakfast.
On workout days I have a pre and post shake consisting of 30 - 35g whey protein + 5g l-glutamine.

The Question:
Currently weigh 19st 13lbs and so far this month I have lost 11 pounds - Is this ok? Just wanting a thumbs up is all hopefully so it makes the hard work even more worth slogging at :)
 
Oxide™ said:
Either back + triceps / chest + biceps / shoulders + traps
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I'd say to swap triceps and biceps so it's back+biceps and chest+triceps on the same day. Triceps help with chest exercises like bench press and biceps work with the back in exercises like pull ups.
 
What does the rest of your diet look like? 11lb is fine for the first three weeks, but don't be disappointed if it slows.

Also, don't bother doing any conventional "ab" exercises, some of them are actually worse than useless.
 
regulus said:
Too much mentioning of supps there my good man. Look carefully at what they are called, 'supplements'.:(
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Tbf, you can use multi-source protein powders [Total Protein from MP], oats [Instant Oats from MP] and Superfood XS from MP as your main sources, but whole food provides more benefits, one of them being satiety.
 
icecold said:
What does the rest of your diet look like? 11lb is fine for the first three weeks, but don't be disappointed if it slows.

Also, don't bother doing any conventional "ab" exercises, some of them are actually worse than useless.
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Hi and thanks

I mentioned what I can't eat otherwise everything else is free game ie veg, meat, fruit, eggs and baked/boiled potato although it's 80% starch ie stored carbs so I try avoid potatos even though I love them :eek:

Breakfast:
either Wheat free muesli + almond / oat milk or boiled egg on wheat free toasted bread
fresh orange juice with bits (unsweetened)
1 Alphamen multivit
1 Super Omega 3

Lunch:
Left over dinner from previous night + apple / pineapple / clementines

Dinner:
veg / salad + lean mince / chicken breast / fish
maybe some potato or boiled eggs

On the 3 days I workout I have a pre and post workout shake = 35g Whey Protein + 5g Glutamine

Regarding Abs, I'm building core strength by:
with a mate and a 8kg medicine ball do 20 situps alternating with the ball and without x 2 sets
2 sets of 10 situps lifting both legs and upper body off the floor and holding for 3 secs each
Then either 2x 1.5 min planks / 2x 15 side bends / 2x 10 leg raises

Then 20 min xtrainer or 10 min rowing maching, 10 min xtrainer

Then weights - all in all workout is 1.5 hours or a bit less

That all seem on the right track?
 
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