Supplements the debate/discussion thread

Again, there are just as many studies that show the polar opposites. The fact is we just don't eat enough oily fish in this country. If I lived back in the Med, I'd probably never supplement ever, and wouldn't need any. However, in my work and life, I know I'm short of these 2 items. Sure I could buy more fish, but it's just not that easy and it's bloody expensive for some reason... whereas in the Med you can buy fish cheaper than you can buy a chocolate bar over here. You don't need vit D either as there's plenty of sunshine!

I never said about megadosing, just hitting a decent RDA amount (but not a government led number, one by professional studies. :)). I agree hyperdosing is just daft. :)
 
icecold said:
It's an easy thing to assume, but tbh it's unlikely to be the cause. It's probably just the case that you didn't have much muscle mass and didn't cut all of your fat away. Then you've got dietary and hormonal factors (cortisol) to consider...

Honestly, don't worry about it.

Just do what you can to get back into lifting heavy :)
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It's more common than you think - there's been an increase in oestrogen levels recorded in males - though this is undoubteldy linked the increase in overweight men also so probably skews the stats.

I'm not saying it's the case in Delvis though.

However we do have oestrogen in our bodies (and produce it), and depending on diet it can get worse which then leads to ever decreasing circle.
 
It's just purely because it's an expensive way of getting calories especially at his weight and routine, and wasteful when all your body will do is turn it to fat (if you're in calorie surplus) or change it to energy which is inefficient. It's just wasteful, not bothered about health issues. For it to be bad for the kidneys we're talking serious amounts of protein every single day - however it's like anything done to excess, it's going to cause you issues.
 
The 30-40g of protein is just the amount your body is most efficient at digesting/using, it's a bell curve, it doesn't mean to say that you stop synthesising it if you take more of course not, it's just less efficient. I agree about that whole myth thing though.

However, protein is just another form of calories, if you eat too much you will juts turn it to fat, and it'll just be a very expensive way of turning protein into a carb which will turn into fat.

I've never eaten more than 200g of protein a day - it's just unnecessary. Sure spread your food out if you want, or have your food in one go, your body won't go suddenly catabolic if you don't eat proteinz every 2hrs. Protein is absolutely necessary for growth and repair I agree, but to that amount it just ends up being a calorie surplus.
 
I burn up and sweat if I have high GI carbs before bed - in fact if I eat sugar in general, I just start irradiating heat. If I do eat carbs before bed they will be low GI - my insulin sensitivity has increased dramatically so I'm quite sensitive to high sugar foods.
 
Waste of time IMO.... but if it's free... Though unless you do a blood test before and after you'll be hard pushed to notice any difference. Certainly if you're young and at your prime, with a decent diet and decent exercise, your test levels should be pretty good.
 
Scream said:
Do you guys find a real difference in protein shakes from brand to brand? A few guys in my gym have tried many brands and they are still no wiser to which one works better.

Is it a case of finding a brand that offers the highest protein content per serving? i.e. Bulk Powders Ultra Whey Protein Isolate gives 29.1g of protein per 30g serving which is pretty good. So if you are going to buy some protein, do you guys work out the cost of a gram of protein for that container/bag and use that as a key factor when deciding what to buy?

I try to aim for around 220-250g of protein a day and you need shakes high in protein as food will never give you enough. There are guys in my gym that take a shake in the morning and one before bed and each shake is 100g of protein and one thing for sure is they are like beasts.
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How much do you weigh and what's your BF%? And what sort of diet are you following? I doubt you need that much protein unless you're taking naughty supplements or if your diet is poor.

Some brands amino acid profiles are different, some add more or less flavouring etc... some are 70% some go up to 92% protein. Some are lactose free some aren't, some are casein and whey based, some are mixed, some are isolate, and there's lots in between. So there is a lot of difference out there on whey proteins. Personally I keep away from the big brands and I'm quite loyal to a particular brand as I trust them - that's not to say others are poor, but it's down to personal experience.

Ultimately, you won't "feel" the effects of whey, it may help you recover or alleviate or minimise DOMS, depending on how quickly you heal from a workout, and it'll certainly boost your macros. However, it won't be a magic - take for 2 months and boom, an extra 3lbs of LBM will be added to your frame...

Whey is good for supplementing a diet, I cope on purely the occasional shake, and I'm not a beansprout or insipid.
 
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It's not. You don't really need to supplement your diet if you've got the ability to get it all from food. Most people can't, so choose to supplement their diets to help boost their diets and give them a little extra in terms of different macros.
 
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